The birds and the birds

Boys who like girls who like girls who like boys? Dorothy Black's all about fluid sexuality...

I kissed my first girl when I was 18. Well, like most kids, I did my own measure of fooling around with my friends when I was younger, but up until then I hadn't actually kissed a girl like I would kiss a guy.

It was Skinny Puppy's birthday party at his parents' house. It was the arse end of winter, but we were outside because we were Goths and could handle it. And his mom didn't want us smoking in the house. Anyway. It had all been quite pleasant until I found myself trapped in a monologue with Randall (a greasy nut job I had tried to ignore since the beginning of term) as he expounded for an hour on how much he enjoyed the translucent quality of red heads' pubes (I'm brunette). Just as I was about to put my cigarette out in his eye, a friend of mine sidled up to me to whisper that I had acquired an admirer.

Said admirer was doe-eyed Nicolette, a pretty, waifish girl that I had met only that night. Her attentions would've been very flattering if it weren't for the fact that she fell in love with a new person every few days. Nevertheless, one flirt led to another and before I could think about it properly, we were kissing. And proceeded to do so for the rest of the evening. It was fab. It was fun. It lasted a week.

This all came back to mind the other day when I bumped into a potbellied Randall walking hand in hand with his (very red-haired) girlfriend.

We were politely chatting about the past when he suggested that since I had clearly displayed 'lesbo' tendencies when we were younger, he would like to suggest a little threesome with him and his girlfriend and me, because, you know, a little 'girl-on-girl action is always such a turn on'.

His girlfriend cringed with embarrassment and I vomited a little in my mouth. The thought of getting anywhere near naked with him turned my stomach.

But there was something else I found deeply disturbing. He had made the same tired assumption that drives a sizeable portion of media aimed at men – that 'girl-on-girl action' is purely there as prop in the one-man show, My Penis and the Women That Love It.

Since my short-lived tryst with the lovely Nicolette I have kissed many, many women and slept with one very beautiful friend. And – surprise, surprise – none of it was for the pleasure of a man.

I told Randall as much and he, aghast, clearly disgusted by my homo ways and oblivious to the irony of his reaction, trotted off with girlfriend in hand to the nearest bar for, I'm sure, a dubble branny en coke. He's just that kinda guy.

It made me wonder why people are still so freaked out by the concept of fluid sexuality, that enjoyment of a person can spill over into the physical regardless of the labels we attach to ourselves. But then, how can you accept that nuanced emotional trippiness if you can't even accept the very fundamental physical attraction and love someone can feel to a person of the same sex.

I lived with a woman once that saw homosexuality as a sort of deviancy from which people can be cured through prayer. She falls into the same category of person that claims 'retraining' camps or eating the eye of a newt will undo the evil affliction that is gayness. To me, that's right up there with 'corrective' rape. (Because you know, all a lesbo needs is the love of a good man. As for gays? Well, they just need a good beating.)

Randall is the worst I've had to face. But my gay friends still have to deal with a lot of shit – from finger pointing to random sermons from strangers in malls, to inherited shame and being disowned by their families. All because they happen to find a person of the same sex desirable. It's weird.

Anne Heche once said, in reference to her bisexuality, that she falls in love with the inside of the person, not what's on the outside. And while I prefer my partner's outside to sport a penis, I'm sure glad I'm not directly surrounded by Randalls if I should ever change my mind.

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Big R 6/10/2009 9:39:23 AM
Sad to see that you think this is o.k. And more sad that you are probably HOT!
Blakie 6/10/2009 9:46:24 AM
YOU ARE SICK
dismayed 6/10/2009 9:51:24 AM
to Big R- what makes you think it's not ok, who are you to judge? Don't worry, we can guage the depth of your personality by your comment in your second sentence.
L Savage 6/10/2009 9:53:58 AM
Just thought I'd put in word to demonstrate that not all people are narrowminded bigots like Big R and Blakie.
lolnoch 6/10/2009 9:55:42 AM
How convenient! Just last Saturday we were at this party and this radio DJ said to me, "I can see that you like women as well. How about I organise you a hot sexiest babe? however, I would love to be part it". I must say this turns me on as long as the guy who is suggesting is hot! I like girls, I like boys and that how i'm keeping it that way. I know, some have said I was greedy but it not greed it just being able to appreciate and to have the best of both worlds!.
caramel 6/10/2009 10:01:02 AM
girls love girls 'cos they love girls. except for the ones who do girls for the boys attention. and then there's the ones who want to sleep with woman but only love men. some like to sleep with men but only fall in love with women. dont forget the ones who like both. that's life. live and let live.
me 6/10/2009 10:01:07 AM
YOU NEED SOME SERIOUS SHOCK THERAPY OR SOMETHING.
Gay girl 6/10/2009 10:02:00 AM
Thanks Dorothy. The most difficult for me to deal with is my family not accepting my partner as part of the family. Strangers I can deal with.
A straight Male 6/10/2009 10:03:31 AM
I agree with your article 100%
PW 6/10/2009 10:29:26 AM
I'm a straight, sexually active and mature male and I have no problem with anything you say in this article. It's way past time the narrow-minded bigots got off their holy horses and faced reality. Humans, all humans, are sexual beings, and ought to be allowed to exercise their sexuality in any way they seem fit. If you disagree with it, it's quite simple, don't participate.
Jo 6/10/2009 10:36:07 AM
Brilliant article, you've brought up some very good points. Woman who love woman do it for their own sake, and it has nothing to do with men. Very often, when men realize my partner and I are together they think it's some kind of ticket to start hitting on us, even though we are married!! It's very disrespectful.
VARO 6/10/2009 10:41:27 AM
god didnt make male and female so males can be whit males it was made like this so the human race can survive till the end of time
Sevendust 6/10/2009 10:43:29 AM
Good article! I just came out of the closet the other day... I discovered I was a lesbian trapped inside a man's body.
sAge 6/10/2009 10:46:57 AM
lol @ "As for gays? Well, they just need a good beating." - did you lift that from Brandon Faber's recent diatripe (sic). Great article, thanks.
carol 6/10/2009 10:47:50 AM
Great to read an article like this! I support your opinion 100%!
Elemental 6/10/2009 10:53:47 AM
Women to women ROCK !!! If you never experienced that magic you obviously can't be the judge can you ??? Some men can be sooo boring to be with but on the other hand whats more exiting than 2 feminine gals ??? Nothing wrong with that life's not just all about impressing hairy potbellies - much more to life than that indeed !!
RubyJ 6/10/2009 11:02:53 AM
..I vomited a little in my mouth when I read how sick you are...shame...I have no words for people (poepholle) like you...
LVN 6/10/2009 11:03:46 AM
I find what you wrote quite odd and fairly removed from my world. But I love the fact that you are able to wright it and that I am able to read it...
bytjies 6/10/2009 11:16:28 AM
I am a straight girl who also kissed a girl a few years back. come on i mean whats not to love about girls. were soft, we smell nice and we are gentle. i would never do a 3 some becuase i believe sex is for 2 persons no matter of what gender. girls loving girls is just a sign of good taste... lol. you should be able to choose who you like no matter what their gender are. i could probably say im bi, not because i swich between boys and girls all the time, but becuase i someone makes me feel good, end it happens to be girl, i wont have a problem with it. hugs
noel 6/10/2009 11:22:34 AM
My dear Dorothy, I'm sorry that people and all your experiences have hurt you so much. I sorry you hurt and even more sorry for those who hurt you. Life is love, love Life first because Life loves you. When you choose Life you will understand love.
Majority guy 6/10/2009 11:22:35 AM
Lsebo's....hehehe.....cool!
sis 6/10/2009 11:23:44 AM
it sad to read such sick articles..nuttin beats a man baby..u really need help..
Eric 6/10/2009 11:27:10 AM
Some of my best friends are gay and lesbian, so what!? We respect each others choices in partners. There is not a single human on this little earth we're living on that has any right whatsoever to judge any one on their choice of partner. And it's not just a sex thing, companionship is what counts. There are more than enough sex toys out there to satisfy sex urge.
tiger 6/10/2009 11:33:21 AM
SICK, SICK, SICK - and then people want to know why the world is going down the drain. No morals and standards - RELIGION
Azura 6/10/2009 11:37:58 AM
I can't believe how judgmental people are, if you don't agree with something, at least have the respect to let that person be. I know we aren't all alike and there will always be things that other people don't understand, but it stuns me to see how viciously people attack each other (both verbally and physically) in an attempt to enforce their beliefs on others. My parents never discussed anything sexual with me while I was growing up. They did, however, teach me to love and accept everyone and that it's about deeper things, that there's more to life and that you must look further than just what everyone else says is right or true. I discovered that I am bisexual, not so much just for sexual reasons, but because I appreciate someone's personality and character. I'm drawn to intellect, humor, open mindedness, regardless of what gender the person might be. To me it's a meeting of equal minds, sexuality is just a by-product of that mental attraction. So no, I don't get what upsets people so much, I don't see why they can't just shut their mouths and get on with their own lives. Happiness is hard enough to find in this life without having others trying to chastise you whenever you do find it. As for the men always seeing it as a big invitation for them to have threesomes, I've experienced that as well. In spite of some advances in our society, the fundamental male belief that women live to serve their needs and love doing so, is still well alive.
why not. 6/10/2009 11:40:04 AM
One of my fantasies was a 3 some with my wife and a younger girl friend of hers. Sadly wifey aint that way inclined, but I still dream...
Phoenix 6/10/2009 11:41:54 AM
I think its sad that there are such closed minded people out there. Us women are beautiful creatures and should spend more time with each other... we understand each other better than an man ever could anyway! Rock on Dot!
NSN 6/10/2009 11:48:02 AM
I am a woman, a feminine female who has a nice hairstyle (not shaven or cut short), a good figure, i wear make up, i dress up to work and when we go out, but at home i am just a comfy in my jeans and tekkies over a weekend, then again show me any woman who isn't... and then... i have a girfriend, also a beautiful professional female with lovely long hair, stunning figure, we live together and our friend have accepted our relationship - doesn't mean they approve, but thats another chapter, however, her brother in law insists that i go hunting with him like one of the guys, because i am now his 'brother in law' right - wrong! Point is, why do men think that the one person in a gay relationship is the male, when infact, 2 woman who love each other show more respect for each other than most men do who abuse their wives - how narrowminded!!! I am a woman, i am in love with a woman, i do not hate men, i think they are good and kind creatures, but as for some of them, like Brandon Faber, i guess they must be jealous that no man on earth is or was able to make any one of us fall for any one of them. Great article!!!
Samantha 6/10/2009 11:52:12 AM
I am a happily married woman, but also love other woman, my husband gives me the freedom to sometimes have sex with a woman, but not a threesome, and this works perfectly for us, why can men enjoy beatifull woman and not us
Raymond 6/10/2009 11:53:19 AM
Would RubyJ and Tiger get a life please? Bisexual girls have MUCH more fun than religious girls...
Marcus 6/10/2009 11:57:05 AM
Well written (if bordering a little on the sensational as an article) - this is the modern reality of where genders are moving. I agree with Eric, and find many of the guys who respond to these kind of articles cliched, boorish and sounding insecure in their comments. I'm happily married yet can appreciate the concept of love transcending gender, that sexuality can be fluid, even if i'm content myself with sex only with a woman (and only one at a time). I have several decidedly hetero guy friends who I love as friends, tho we happen to have no sexual curiosity or need in these friendships as it is enough in itself. While this modern reality is slowly gaining ground for women, I pity the poor guy who tries to write the equivalent article for guys.
Joe 6/10/2009 11:57:55 AM
Great article, keep them coming and please don't worry about the Randalls of this world, they wonder round the periphery looking to feed off the young and innocent and they are many but really not at all important.
Doug 6/10/2009 12:02:56 PM
The unnatural thing is that any person with half a bain can think there is anything wrong with homosexuality in this day and age. Really, just get a freaking clue: The earth is round and people are not delivered by storks, facts are facts. Homo/bisexuality is found among practically all sexually reproducing organisms.
Roms 6/10/2009 12:15:40 PM
Loved the article Dorothy. I agree with the comment that you can love or be sexual with both men and female. As long as there is love and respect. RubyJ you should not judge other people, it is not your place
Rod Farva 6/10/2009 12:21:30 PM
Great article!!! If I were a girl I would also kiss a girl OFTEN!!!
Rod Farva 6/10/2009 12:23:02 PM
RubyJ .. I hope you swallowed you narrow minded freak!
857 6/10/2009 12:39:14 PM
Jeepers - Your parents sure must be proud of this article.
A man 6/10/2009 12:42:37 PM
ei tog....... yet another sensational piece to evoke responses........ Well done, so women are more geared to be with other women, and whippy, you can count on chicks cause guys are so awful.........yet next week you write about where have all the men gone...... Maybe we don't want to be around women who try find fault with us at every chance because we don't measure up to some impossible Mills and Boon standard........
Hairybutflatumi 6/10/2009 12:42:51 PM
In my opinion there is nothing attractive about a man. If I were a woman, I wouldn't like men either. Methinks I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body! To tiger, RELIGION is one of the reasons this world is so screwed up today. Go read the Earth Chronicles or Slavespecies and realize the true nature of your god(s).
Jewels 6/10/2009 12:56:48 PM
Religion is the most destructive dividing force on this earth (think about that for a moment), war, hate just because someone does not believe the stories in the book you carry around. How can something as misleading and ambiguous as religion tell as how to love? I?ve spent the last 6 years with the most wonderful woman on this earth, not because we have a lesbian relationship but because we are soul mates. It?s not about the outside it is the deep emotional connection, to love because you find yourself loving and for no other reason. In that love is a connection to the energy of the universe that can never be explained in mere human terms.
Vinesh R 6/10/2009 12:57:08 PM
Yeah Baby. Love is Love this way or any other way you want. Don,t worry about the rest just do what you do best. Keep rockin' It is sad when other people don,t understand were you are coming from.
aussie 6/10/2009 12:59:18 PM
Go Tiger!!
Lady 6/10/2009 12:59:23 PM
Thank you Dorothy. I have just told my friends and family about my girlfriend. None of them get it and most have stopped talking to me. Your article voices exactly what I've been feeling and saying for a long time. Thank you.
fortune teller 6/10/2009 1:05:03 PM
@ a man, First "a man" if you really are one, and older than 15 you would know that sex for men and women are on the oposite side of the spectrum.men have sex with their d$cks and women with their minds.If this confuses you ask your mom when you are 18 to explain it to you.I know that mills & boone dont have pictures in them ,but if you really try to read it you might learn something. I am sorry to be so harsh but the 1800's are over and women are no longer pregnent and barefeet in front of the stove anymore,but dont take my word for it, ask your girlfriend (if you have one that is) oh and stop saying "WE" in your responces, unless of course the voices in your head want you to say it.
cameron 6/10/2009 1:19:50 PM
"That enjoyment of a person can spill over into the physical regardless of the labels we attach to ourselves" and that sums it up. in spite of my label as a heterosexual father of two girls and boy in a committed, monogamous relationship with the mother of my children who i adore, i say good for you. to the bigots i say: it's all about people, stupid!
Atheist 6/10/2009 1:43:37 PM
Why do the religious bible-bashing fundamentalists always read-and-rant in the sex/gay section? Why do they have this obsession with sex and gays? The earth will probably stop spinning the day these ?Christians? start acting like Christians should. I guess doing good deeds, and making concerned comments under articles about poverty and orphans isn?t as much fun as quoting scripture and bashing infidels over the head with religious tomes.
eugene 6/10/2009 1:44:33 PM
Okay, but will you go for a 3some now, or not????
Katherine 6/10/2009 1:46:20 PM
Hi Dorothy. Well 'said'! I have fallen in love with a family friend, who then became my girlfriend and we have been together for a year now. My family did not want to accept it in the beginning but have since noticed that it is not about gender, but rather about two people, who were created by God (yes, I'm religious), who loves, respects and cares for one another. I do not label myself as gay, lesbian or straight, but as a person who has the need to be loved and wants to love in return. I think when you share that love and respect in a committed relationship, it must be celebrated regardless of gender! All the best!
Jonno 6/10/2009 2:11:56 PM
People are always attacking Christian people in posts like this. This is how I see it. Christians comment, albeit not always in the most intellectual way, on things that they believe are wrong. Everyone, gay, lesbian, hetrosexual, anyone will comment on something they think is wrong. If this post was about murder everyone would comment alike. Dont hate Christian people for saying comment on something thats against their beliefs. I do however apologies for sily comments by people claiming to be Christian, not all of us are here to judge :) have a great day everyone.
ingi 6/10/2009 2:15:30 PM
liked the article but found the comments so hilarious. yes of course all that people need that want to know people for who they are is religion...exactly why i'm an atheist (yes tiger, that is someone that think god is dead). id rather be SICK SICK SICK than be a judgemental idiot...and yeah i enjoy the love from both men and women...
Eugene 6/10/2009 2:43:41 PM
Well I for one would love to have a 3some. And I will lie if I said its not for my pleasure, because it is, partly. I have set myself on this quest to find this rare beauty where 2 women and a man fall victim to a cloud of pleasure and loose themselfs in extisy. I have wonder far and wide in search of my own little "holy grail" if I can put it like that. But to no avail. My dreams got shatterd whenI found that bi-girls dont look like they do in the movies. So now I encourage all the beautiful women out there to give it try and make an effort to this rare beauty that is within your own grasp, who knows you might like it. Dorothy if you are at least a 7 out of 10 girl, would you consider a 3some with a brunette girl by any chance??? I noticed you dont really like red heads. See Im sensitive as well. Cant wait for your speedy response ;)
Tracy 6/10/2009 2:43:46 PM
Firstly I would agree with bytjies, I am a straight engaged woman and I find that females can be attractive. But what really grates me is the people whom judge, Tiger comments on how there are no morals, no standards - RELIGION.. if you take your religion so seriously then why are you judging... does the bible not state do not judge others?? My view point is live your life how you wish for it to be lived, do not judge what others are doing.. if religion is a big factor in your life it is not you whom will be answering for their sins at the pearly gates. I believe we have one life to live and it if up for us to live it.. whatever the afterlife holds and how ever we may need to answer for our actions that will be for the individual to do. I think that the fact that males like FOF for their own indulgence is a mindset per individual. My fiance finds that attractive but says he could never see me sexually involved with someone else... male or female.. so each to their own. So my view is.. if you want to Gay, lesbian, bi, tri or even a frikkin daisy in a tutu... do it.. just ensure it is what you want and that you are careful cos those tutu's are hazerdous! ;-)
Chris 6/10/2009 2:49:43 PM
People, people, people, why do you always fall back on religion? Religion is the cause of all the problems in this world to start off with. All it does is to make people believe that they have a better imaginary friend than someone else, and then are willing to start wars about this imaginary friend! Live your life and stop worrying about what other people are doing to each other in their own bedrooms. What makes you so holly to pass blame onto anybody else? I?m gay, I don?t go to church and never will again because of bogus people who just love to pass judgements on others. I?m not on this earth to make everybody happy, so if you not happy about my lifestyle, sorry to say, tough shit.
Margo 6/10/2009 3:07:32 PM
I'm so inlove with my woman. I love the way she smell, I love her very smooth skin & lips, I love every single curve of her body. Cuddling with her is the best thing ever (I don't think men understand the word cuddle).
Viper 6/10/2009 3:14:49 PM
Please excuse the frumps responding on your article, nothing wrong with it, girl on girl rocks baby, and stop brining relegion into this, and forgive idiots like RubyJ her next best thing is a vibrator. Hie hie hie
Chris 6/10/2009 3:23:57 PM
Yes as the bigot Brandon Faber puts it, beat the gays with a snot klap, it will sort out all the worlds problems
nursemyra 6/11/2009 10:07:08 AM
I'm shocked at some of the negative responses this post has received. You seem to be have some very staid readers - where on earth do they come from?
MACK 6/11/2009 11:52:37 AM
People ,gay isnt a choice - youre born that way ,the same as the hottie happily married to the dog ugly guy !or the athlete to the fat momma !No one person would choose it - and happily invite redicule ,scorn and all the bigotry they endure.Its in your genes,and no tablet ,schock,or reprograming will change it.Same as we hetro's act in picking a partner ,does the gays. LEAVE THEM ALONE ,AND PLEASE , leave bashing christians out of it as well !
Nats 6/11/2009 11:55:20 AM
How refreshing Dorothy. I agree fully. Nice work.
Jules 6/11/2009 12:12:44 PM
i love sex with men and women - is that a sin? 3somes - the best
starry 6/11/2009 2:30:56 PM
I have a gay best friend and there is nothing "wrong" with him at all. I love him just as I would anyone else. He has introduced me to his boyfriends and they are welcome in my home. My child is just as accepting.
Someday 6/11/2009 3:39:49 PM
I am an married mother of three. And boy! oh boy! straight as can come, but in the inside I will always fantasize about another women. Not to cheat on hubby but something I hope will come my way, some day. Maybe for the experience of it all. After all you only live once.
daisyfae 6/12/2009 5:42:29 AM
"fluid sexuality". i like that phrase... ani difranco describes it as being 'omnisexual', which is how i describe my own wiring... it's a person that draws me. the 'plumbing' is just what is there to work with while exploring mutual pleasure...
BT 6/12/2009 8:15:01 AM
PW your comments make sense until you say " all humans ought to be allowed to excercise their sexuality in any way..." I hope I am not correct in assuming that you are also including all forms of deviant sexual behaviour in this broad defintion, ie child sex or rape, to name but 2 examples?
izzle 6/17/2009 11:40:07 AM
im gay and i dont knw why pple make it out to be sych a heart stopping thing like im gay with u? its like bein vegetarian why would i want to force u to eat meat wenu dont like it or dont want it....as long as u nt forcing veggies down my throat then i will let u be...society makes rules and by whom were they made by? narrowminded men or women that died a long time ago so if i aint eating on ur plate dont complain abt wats on mine
zama zungu 6/26/2009 2:01:22 PM
I love my sexual personality, it's the diva side of me. I'm confident all round but my sexual soul is even more, I own pleasure and expression. I love exploring and exposing my own lust for living in sexual context. To be boxed is as foreign to me as a day in a life of an alien. I love women with every soft part of me, and I love A MAN with every girly side of me. I love that I find both beautifully delicious to taste, smell and devour. I dont relate to anyone who tells me different and blessedly for me, I dont need to. So long live the freedom of me, and the freedom of you. And may the 'deciders' find their own freedom so they no longer need inhibitions on me or on them. Life is but a dream!
Brandon Faber 7/22/2009 11:28:20 AM
Hello Chris you nincompoop, I happen to think sex between two gorgeous women are just what's required on a cold winter's day and certainly not deserving of any klap whatsoever... perhaps some light spanking, but that's about it. Idiot.
sanele 8/7/2009 4:09:01 PM
im 26yers old and im gay but ryt now im single i need to commucate with other gayz guyz
TITO 11/4/2009 5:47:37 PM
I must confess my obsesion with lesbian threesomes.i am currently servicing 2 pairs of lebos and - hey boy- they can't stop coming for more,and they confessed they are no longer on using their vibrators as they have a feel for the real stick.
TITO 11/4/2009 5:51:27 PM
I must confess my obsesion with lesbian threesomes.i am currently servicing 2 pairs of leSbos and - hey boy- they can't stop coming for more,and they confessed they are no longer on using their vibrators as they have a feel for the real stick.
TITO 11/4/2009 5:51:29 PM
I must confess my obsesion with lesbian threesomes.i am currently servicing 2 pairs of leSbos and - hey boy- they can't stop coming for more,and they confessed they are no longer on using their vibrators as they have a feel for the real stick.
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