Masturbation is a sin?

Lili Radloff isn’t impressed with the “female Angus Buchan’s” latest preachings.

Last year Marianne Thamm wrote a column about Ms Wiid’s anti-feminist and, frankly, anti-intelligence teachings. Among other preposterous things Greta Wiid reckons that a) women should never say no to sex (with their husbands of course) b) that if he cheats on you it’s really your fault because you’re not groomed/pretty/sexy enough and c) that the man should be the head of the home.

Both the NG and Hervormde (reformed) church spoke out against this, saying that men and women should be equal partners in a marriage. Now, for crying in a bucket, if the Hervormde Kerk thinks you’re taking things a little far that should really be a sign to take a step back and breathe a little.

Ms Wiid, of course, didn’t. In this week’s Huisgenoot this self-styled expert speaks openly about her ideas (read commandments) about sex. In the article she mentions that sexologists (you know, the people who’ve actually STUDIED human sexual behaviour) will probably disagree with her. Here I have to pause and grudgingly congratulate her on that uncharacteristically astute observation.

Why? Because she says alone masturbation is wrong. In fact, she reckons any sexual exploration done before or outside of marriage is wrong. Thus, you are allowed to touch yourself ONLY when you are already married and your husband has an active part in your masturbation.

Now while this can definitely spice up your marital sex, I can’t help being shocked and horrified on two levels: first, in a country riddled with HIV/AIDS, unplanned pregnancies and sexual abuse, Ms Wiid slams the one sexual practice that has no negative personal or greater social effects. 


Is she totally deluded or just criminally stupid? 

Second, as someone who deals with literally hundreds of letters every month from women who get almost no pleasure from their marital sex beds because their husbands/partners are either too self-involved or too ignorant to understand their wives’ bodies, I think it is wildly irresponsible and counterproductive of this woman to go round actively discouraging women to explore what makes them tick sexually.

She actually suggests that women hand over their sexuality, their bodies and their sexual decisions completely into the hands of men.

And although her idea sounds somewhat quaint in a 1960’s Mills & Boon type of way (just so you know, I think my husband would be a great custodian of my vagina) the reality is that most South African women live in a society where female sexuality is still kept very much in a chokehold by the grubby male paws of patriarchy.

So I can only come to one conclusion: Ms Wiid who has handed the ownership of her own vagina into the hands of her husband (who is also her master) must be one kinky cookie.

But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe masturbation ruins marriages every day. So own up wankers! Do you think masturbation adds or detracts from your sex life...

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PRESHEN GOVENDER 3/1/2010 4:29:41 PM
I Practice safe sex ,I screw myself
PRESHEN GOVENDER 3/1/2010 4:30:46 PM
Lesbian are not entitle to Dildo they gave up the right.
PRESHEN GOVENDER 3/1/2010 4:32:17 PM
masturbation does not end marriage,you must just lend a hand
Michael 3/2/2010 7:42:56 AM
Christians, always thinking they know best because the big almighty sky-fairy said so. Go figure.
lucyfire 3/2/2010 7:46:10 AM
I hear you sister.

As a single woman in my early thirties, I have no desire to date, see, marry or become involved with any man anymore.

They are absolutely useless in bed and think they are quite the studmuffin when actually i would rather be doing a crossword thank you very much.

As soon as they know you are open minded they think you're a slut.

So i just stay at home with my bottle of wine and give myself the orgams i deserve!
Twisted 3/2/2010 7:48:37 AM
If you feel the need to fiddle, take up knitting. Hooray for Ms Wiid. You can get rid of unwanted urges with a 10km jog (don't forget the sunblock).
cbr 3/2/2010 7:58:15 AM
I was once with a woman who could not orgasm without a vibrator. I tried everything I could to no avail, and eventually the relationship broke up. This wasn't the sole reason, but you may be able to imagine how soul destroying it is to not be able to pleasure your partner. If she had done more self discovery, this could have been overcome.

My 2 cents.
Marius 3/2/2010 8:04:58 AM
Ek het lankal geleer dat die bible punchers die kat die ergste in die donker knyp.
Justy 3/2/2010 8:45:42 AM
Yes, masturbation is a sin for the sexual pleasure is meant for TWO in marriage. As for u Lucifire or rather Lucifer, you need Jesus in your life.
griffin 3/2/2010 8:46:37 AM
Waiting for her sex scandal tape to come out. I agree with Marius.
Joe 3/2/2010 8:50:14 AM
Homo habilis is a species of the genus Homo, which lived from approximately 2.3 to 1.4 million years ago at the beginning of the Pleistocene period. Homo Habilis means Handy Man. Haha
lucyfire@twisted 3/2/2010 8:51:19 AM
Yes knitting is a lot better than a mind shattering orgasm :| Now go away. The adults are talking.
cuba @lucyfire 3/2/2010 8:56:04 AM
taking matters into your own hands
Dew 3/2/2010 8:56:17 AM
Seems they all follow the same pattern first they proclaim enjoying sex is not a sin and then they add their own restrictions to it. Masturbation is a natural release ask any teenage boy...
Me @ Twisted 3/2/2010 9:03:52 AM
Somehow "Twisted" and knitting don't sound right. Rather choose a name like "Boring" if you are into knitting instead of orgasms. Shame, poor you.
cuba 3/2/2010 9:09:15 AM
for our more religious friends, this site provides scripture reading that are used to describe different sexual acts.

http://www.sexinchrist.com/
"Dave" 3/2/2010 9:14:57 AM
If masturbation is a sin, i'm destined for the deepest levels of Hell.
THE BEAST 3/2/2010 9:32:35 AM
The armed struggle (musturbation), has been practised from time imemorial and is here to stay. God helps those who help themselves. So if you have a sudden urge and there is no one available, go to your own private space and jerk yourself brainless. I know i do and it feels goooooodd. There is nothing like a good armed struggle.
Marc 3/2/2010 9:41:19 AM
My wife suffers from a painful, crippling condition that renders lovemaking almost impossible. We've discovered other ways of deriving pleasure in the bedroom , one of which is mutual masturbation. Obviously I wish it was otherwise, but that's what for better or worse means. I advocate that she explores her sexuality as fully as possible, as we both benefit from it in the end. What would Ms Wiid say to that, I wonder? (Preshen, you're a tool.)
Twisted@you lot 3/2/2010 9:42:15 AM
If you need advice on things like this then you are sad kids. You need someone to tell you what you can do. And you call yourselves adults. Do what you want to do - nobody is watching.
Sick & tired 3/2/2010 9:45:38 AM
I am sick and tired of people abusing the Christian faith for their own ends ad to further their own ideologies. As the article states. The NG church even said that she was taking it too far. This should give you an indication of how wrong she is.
Plato 3/2/2010 9:57:56 AM
Confucious says: Learn to masturbate, come in handy
lucyfire@justy 3/2/2010 10:15:21 AM
I need Jesus in my life? Is he going to help me pay the bills? I think not.

Tell him i say hi though.
Charles 3/2/2010 10:33:20 AM
Why do people even listen to this Wiid person? The sad thing is that she has support, like Nazi Germany. I choose to ignore idiots like her and Boer Buchan.
Bella 3/2/2010 11:27:18 AM
When was the last time Mrs Wild had an orgasm? Maybe never, because if she had, she would want more.
Bea 3/2/2010 11:42:28 AM
@Justy: Please, please, please shut up!!!! Your an arrogant, ignorant fool that uses Jesus name as the answer to everything, tut tut. People like you make me sick, keep your comments to your weird cultish religous sites, no-one here is interested in what your opinion is, seeing as you cannot see further than the tip of your nose. As discussed by many above, Masturbation is a normal action enjoyed by many thousands of human beings, relax and enjoy.
Poppet 3/2/2010 11:44:42 AM
Why does anyone even indulge this Wiid woman, she's the only one smiling right now, if not a tad half wittedly! Anyone with half a brain knows that it's your body to do with what you will – and getting to know yourself from the inside-out as WELL as the outside-in can only ever be beneficial. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWzOQTFwRBE If this doesn’t (en)lighten up all the heavies nothing will – leave now while you still can…
dvdm 3/2/2010 11:57:02 AM
Hmmm...as a Christian I do not think the act of masturbation itself is a sin, in fact it is not even mentioned in the Bible, but what is mentioned in the Bible are other perverted sexual sins such as illicit sexual fantasies, which are the fuel for most masturbation acts. Can one masturbate without including illicit sexual fantasies? I suppose one could, but what would be the point then? Were it not for our perverted imaginations and lustful sense of expectation, our bodies would not cause us much trouble. It is our hearts and minds that need treatment.
Madness @ Lucyfire, Charles & Michael 3/2/2010 11:58:53 AM
The day will definately come when you will regret your ignorance. Ms. Wiid does not speak for all Christians. And your lack of knowledge about society and religion is shocking. Its idiots like you who make the rest of us feel ashamed of being South Africans. The world might think we are all as ignorant and stupid as you are.
all crap 3/2/2010 12:15:10 PM
what a hoard of bull, its all horse shit.. get in the program and smell the coffee who has ever gotten hiv/aids from self service.
Vanman 3/2/2010 12:15:47 PM
Do what feels good for you and leave the rest of us alone. If it floats your boat, good. If it does not, find another way...

It is rally good for a woman to show her man how her body works and what works for her. This information shared, really brings the couple closer together. And what if the man was away on business for a month? Must the woman sit high and dry at home?
charlie62 3/2/2010 12:19:31 PM
Also a christian; married blissfully happy, wonderful sex life for the past 25 years.
Attended marriage workshop where Gretha was main speaker. I think you need to listen carefully to what she actually says. And for good balance, also listen to what she tells the men. Why always quote the NG & other related churches? Remember they are the ones who told us that apartheid is right! In my opinion they tend to go with the flow and do not really take God's word as their only standard.
Cyotee 3/2/2010 12:19:32 PM
OMG - I cant believe you people think its a sin. all the bible says is spilling your seed is a sin and only applies if you are a man. I think every woman should do it as much as she likes, there is nothing worse than being with a woman who doesnt know what she likes, it makes the whole situation uncomfortable, she should explore herself, shee what she likes, where she likes it , so that if her partner askes her if she likes it like this or that she can say yes or no.
Saying masturbation is a sin is saying that chocolate is a sin - they both bring pleasure and involve a certain amount of self indungence.
think of the benifites a orgasm has. it reduces stress, increases endorphines, helps with depression, lets you sleep better, and its way less messy than sleeping with a man. I think all of who are against masturbation are misguided and short sighted. the benifits are enormous
Badbones 3/2/2010 12:25:50 PM
@ PRESHEN GOVENDER ..... for President .....
Lisa 3/2/2010 12:26:03 PM
This is why no-one should take advice from backward christian bronze age moralities
Wanker 3/2/2010 12:26:11 PM
If god had not wanted us to masturbate, she would have given us shorter arms!
wanker 3/2/2010 12:26:20 PM
Sometimes fingers can reach the parts a hard cock can't reach. So what's wrong with a woman masturbating while having full sex? I find it a huge turn-on and, as long as both partners achieve an orgasm at the end of it, it can't be a bad thing! And as the writer says, masturbating on your own is harmless fun and a great stress reliever for either sex.
lucyfire@madness 3/2/2010 12:28:29 PM
That's funny because we're the ones thinking you guys are the ignorant ones. At the risk of changing the topic, I don't feel the need to base my actions and thoughts on some invisible guy in the sky. The santa for grownups. Whether Wiid speaks for all christians or not is really not the point.
http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0902/atheism-demotivational-poster-1234791654.jpg

I think this should clear it all up
Also, Christianty has nothing to do with society nor being South African last time i checked.I do believe there are tons of you guys all over the globe! What are you on about?

Have a great day.
Jean-Jacques 3/2/2010 12:28:52 PM
Seems there are some real lonely girls out there. My wife and I certainly experiment and explore each others bodies all the time. After 16 blissful years of marriage, we still mastrubate each other, often and as part of making love it forms a natural part of our evenings together. So go forth and masturbate...often...alone...with someone...or with friends... a live a little. Life is too short not to enjoy.
Louis 3/2/2010 12:39:47 PM
So Mrs Wiid is up to her old habits again. What this lady needs is a man that can give her a manual orgasm so great that for the first time in her life she will shout the name of the allmighty at a feaver pitch. The problem with this is that no-one really knows whats going on in a womans mind, even they sometimes dont know themselves, but one things for sure, when it comes to pleasure, they know what they want without being sluttish. And thank the stars, Ive been married for 28 years and have up to date not left my wife unsatisfied once. Exploration is the name of the game, some things work for some, for others, they join Mrs. Wiid!
Ant 3/2/2010 12:39:53 PM
What?? No mention of the "cunt Nazi's" this time?
AntI 3/2/2010 12:49:39 PM
I'm so disappointed that those controversial cunt Nazi's didn't get a mention this time. They're always worth commenting on - and Jesus loves them too (don't you know?)
ES 3/2/2010 12:50:10 PM
Sex is all about communication.
I recently had some serious discussions with myself! - being seperated recently
Anti Christian 3/2/2010 12:50:44 PM
I love this, same old crap everytime, bring Christianity into the game and all those know it alls cum crawling out from under their rocks brandering the Bible Bat...."Christians" are guilty of most of the WORST sins in humankinds history..they do the same thing over and over again, preaching to us, trying to enforce their believes on us, fortunately they can no longer murder or torture in the name of God if we choose not to swallow their crap...what you forget is, know your history, know where you are coming from before you try to preach to others...the Christian faith is so flawed that only ignorance keeps it going....you want faith, try being a Muslim.....as for sex,please you so called Bible punching "Christians" posting here, your input is about as useful as Julius Malema's Matric Certificate...
Skinnerbek 3/2/2010 12:59:44 PM
When a man goes to bed with a sex problem on his mind, he will wake up with a solution in hand.
Biltong1 3/2/2010 1:01:52 PM
When wifey and I are doing the wild thing she gets to a stage where she shouts out “Oh my God, I’m coming!”.
That’s when I stop, because I think she may be dieing and going to heaven. And I really like her cooking so I don’t want her to go just yet. I guess I’m doing something right, because she purrs like a kitty afterwards. And, Miss Wiid, does this make her a Christian?
Cuz 3/2/2010 1:07:28 PM
My friends and I sit in my backyard every weekend and we masturbate , it is the best thing ever . As much as we boys enjoy having beers together , masturbating together is equally amazing .
All I want 3/2/2010 1:09:21 PM
So, this article scoffs at the mention that a wife must be ready to please her husband when he desires her. So, by that rationale, we men should be able to scoff when you women moan about what YOU'RE not getting out of marriage, right? "He doesn't offer me security." Then have sex with him. "He doesn't put me first in his life anymore." Then have sex with him. "He doesn't put me on a pedestal anymore." Have sex. With your husband. Or be a refridgerated cold whiney bitch your whole life. It takes 2 to make a relationship work. If you expect him to meet your expectations, you'd better damn well be prepared to meet his!
Madie 3/2/2010 1:21:14 PM
Good heavens....what a storm in a teacup....I am sixty plus and most certainly pleasure my self alone and my life partner does the same. Needless to say we also do this together so to those upright citizens who condemn what is completely natural....get a life my dears....
Tania 3/2/2010 1:22:43 PM
"runs off to buy a vibrator"
lucyfire@All I want 3/2/2010 1:49:47 PM
You seriously need to get a divorce. You sound miserable *hug*
jema 3/2/2010 1:53:34 PM
to you anti christrian . Clearly you do not know your history . you do not have faith . you serve a religion. The day will come when every tongue including yours will confess that Jesus is Lord .
Linda 3/2/2010 2:09:13 PM
I am a single mom, christian and a runner. There is nothing more amazing than doing it in the shower after a marathon. Running only hightens the pleasure not dampens it. I have a male friend who is also a single parent and we practice safe sex.......over the phone masturbation late at night when the kids are in bed. I say each to his own and those who preach has the most skeletons in the closet
lucyfire@jema 3/2/2010 2:10:49 PM
lol.
Aphrodite 3/2/2010 2:15:53 PM
Wish we could leave these fruit-loops in the middle ages. It's amazing how a religion that espouses love, have zealots with such a sour disposition.
William Wallace@Lucyfire 3/2/2010 2:20:02 PM
Lucyfire, I like your attitude although you must have been with some loser guys if they lose out to a crossword puzzle... What I fail to understand is how the so-called christians always get stuck on the commandment regarding adultery... The other nine commandments are seemingly not important at all...
Madness @ Anti Chritstian 3/2/2010 2:25:52 PM
Faith ... Muslim?? Please. You probably don't know. But there is in fact a difference between a distorted religious delution and faith. On the issue of masturbation. Maybe that is why Islam allows polygamy. I guess someone with 9 wives does not have the desire to masturbate?
bob 3/2/2010 2:27:04 PM
no wonder most christians are angry. they never get to releave any tension.
Madness @ lucyfire 3/2/2010 2:27:45 PM
I did not expect that you would understand the comment.

Have a good day yourself.
Lucyfire @william wallace 3/2/2010 2:38:50 PM
Why thank you kind sir. But yes they were loser guys. Not willing to try anything new. Freaked out and intimidated by anything that is not missionary. Boooooring.

I think the problem with todays guys are they're way too metro-sexual.

What happened to good old fashioned guys that will take you up against a wall?!

*sigh*
lucyfire@madness 3/2/2010 2:44:36 PM
Do not flatter yourself dear. The comment was understood perfectly well.

You are not saying anything so intelligent that it will go above anyones head.

You are however, spewing the same dogmatic bullshit that every other bible bashing idiot has been vomiting out thinking that they're absolutely right.

I have one word for you my friend. Evolution. There goes your whole bible to hell. (i made a funny)

oh and by the way. I'd check your husband's phone if i were you. He's probably masturbating with his secretary.
Michael @ Madness 3/2/2010 2:48:10 PM
My problem is this.... Jesus loves me, but I just want to be friends. It's a bit awkward.
Craig 3/2/2010 2:51:27 PM
You bunch of misinformed people. What do people do when they masturbate - they fantasize? Fantasies distract from reality. Some people become so addicted to masturbation that they lose the want for actual sex - what does this do in a marriage?? You telling me you’d choose playing with yourself over having sex…? That’s just freaking sad! The only people that are bragging about masturbation are those who don’t get any real sex so you settle for the fantasy sex… SAD!!

As for woman "giving up their bodies to their husbands", give me a break, if you love each other, what’s wrong with that? I’d give up my body to my wife any day!

Dam i feel sorry for you people when you realize that God does exist... possibly going to be too late.
Cyotee 3/2/2010 2:53:13 PM
Hold on a second - i just thought of something - we define masturbation by pleasuring oneself through stimulation other than intercourse (am i correct saying this) , so then that defines oral sex as in the mastubation catagory. So then no wonder the bible bashers are so uptight poor people cant get head. lol. seriously tho - everyone needs to just chill, and do what ever you like.
birdman 3/2/2010 2:55:16 PM
I got to HAND it to you,we have lots of closet wankers in this column. i hate it when dudes say they dont wank, yeah right.
lucyfire 3/2/2010 3:20:15 PM
Michael you are brilliant.

Craig. Shame.
tinytot double brandy 3/2/2010 3:28:20 PM
I have perfected masturbating into an art form and only have sex in an emergency and not just any emergency.
Nicholas 3/2/2010 3:39:42 PM
If I do not like surfing, I would definitely not waste my time commenting on anti-surfing blogs. I would spend my time on the things I like. That is what I do not get about atheists - why are their sub-consciences so tormented by Christianity that they are compelled to spend hours attacking the Christian faith? I think that atheists know there is a God, and they fear death, and their only way to deal with it is to ridicule Christianity to soothe their own consciences. Read up on the dying words of famous atheists.
Amused 3/2/2010 3:52:29 PM
I think Greta Wiid makes less sense than JuJu Malema on a real bad day ... and I do believe most of her bull stems from extreme sexual frustration, obviously never experienced a orgasm before. Secondly why would God or whoever else be remotely interested in what we do with our sexual organs in the privicy of our own bedrooms, sure He has much more urgent issues to attend to...


Brave Dave@lucyfire 3/2/2010 3:55:37 PM
I love your comments about, christians, bibles and DIY! Agrre on all counts! Stupid Christians blinded by dogma.
cazzieb 3/2/2010 3:58:30 PM
oh for crying out loud. We are not mere animals driven by instinct. this person - whoever she is - is not talking out of the blue, she is talking from a particular standpoint. And your reply is not in that context so it doesnt address her argument. You are arguing practicalities and she is arguing morals. Two seperate topics. I never masturbated and guess what - married now with a STEAMY sex life!
Auston 3/2/2010 3:58:37 PM
Make sure that all you wankers (girls and guys) that commented today, wash your hands properly in the morning, before you place your hands on the mouse in the morning.

You wouldnt want the office to smell like tinfish. HAHA
Eloise Wallis 3/2/2010 4:01:39 PM
Niks verkeerd daarmee om met jou eie God-gegewe plesier-knoppie te speel nie. Nerens in die Bybel staan dat vrouens dit nie mag doen nie. Ek weet wel, mans mag nie hulle "saad op die grond laat val nie". Ek doen dit gereeld. Het `n wonderlike man en ons seks is fantasties. Maar niks verkeerd daarmee om myself te help as hy nie in die bui is nie.
Cris Athol@Madness 3/2/2010 4:03:41 PM
Check your facts - Islam doesn't allow 9 wives. Islam allows polygamy (max 4) BUT there are rules regarding that namely - You have to be by the means to treat each wife fairly (from every aspect including what you give for the one you give for the other be it time/support/material wealth) and only if you can do that should you attempt to marry more than 1 wife.
dale 3/2/2010 4:06:04 PM
"Self-improvement is masturbation. Now self-destruction... "
Craig@lucyfire 3/2/2010 4:06:36 PM
i really feel sorry for you... btw your nic, thats exactly where you dont want to land up.

Peoples problem with God is that once you have him in your life, serving him is what matters... selfishness is leading too many people to Lucifers fire
Sky Fairy 3/2/2010 4:07:43 PM
Michael Whether you believe in god doesn't matter. The fact that you're a bigoted twat on the other hand...
lucyfire@cazzieb 3/2/2010 4:11:27 PM
cazzieb i understand what you're saying and thank you for your valuable in put.

But about masturbation and you saying you've never masturbated well, (from one girl to another) it's sort of like a microwave.

If you don't have one and you've never owned one, you don't really miss it. In fact, you get along GREAT without it. Our mothers and grans did fine without it and their mothers etc.

But the fact is that once you own a microwave. It's flippen awesome and you just can't go without it. You might not use it every day. But when you need it, its there and it does the job 10 times faster, and with not even half the mess of trying to boil milk in a pot on the stove.

:) - Just saying
francois 3/2/2010 4:16:54 PM
daai vrou is mal in die kop.kan nie glo mense gaan luister na haar nie. sien net wat sy wil. sy hoort in n kop hospitaal
All I want@lucyfire 3/2/2010 4:17:54 PM
Don't think I ain't thunk about it. Say, you sound quite liberal... wanna get dirty this weekend? I promise to have you shredding the duvet to pieces, & I'll even bring the wine...
Stef 3/2/2010 4:19:03 PM
Greta would make a great comedian!
Pete 3/2/2010 4:26:25 PM
I'm so tired of people (The writer and many of you who have commented)using labels! Ms Wiid may be a Christian who am I to judge, however because she uses that label does make make her a representative of all Christians. I'm one and I don't agree with her. Christian basher and those who go around calling themselves Christian need to know what people and the world truly need and want to experience is grace and love.
bigone 3/2/2010 4:35:51 PM
@ Justy: Does "jesus" come with batteries???
Joe 3/2/2010 4:47:41 PM
Have you eve thought while perched on your high and mighty that you may be wrong!!!!
Tya 3/2/2010 5:00:13 PM
AMEN TO THIS ARTICLE-FOR MONTHS I'VE BEEN WONDERING IF PLAYING WITH YOURSELF WAS WRONG BEFORE GOD. FUNNY ENOUGH IT FELT WRONG BUT I KEPT ON CONVINCING MYSELF THAT IT WAS WRONG. NO MORE SPANKING THE MONKEY FOR ME. AMEN GOD PLEASE FORGIVE MY SINS
Mel 3/2/2010 5:02:05 PM
My word Greta. Why not? Francious, your hubby, is an expert on the subject. Ouside marriage!!!!!!
Mylife 3/2/2010 5:03:57 PM
Visit this link and be set free. http://bible.com/bibleanswers_result.php?id=252
Barend 3/2/2010 5:08:26 PM
This Ms. Wiid was probably born in 1200 bc. How the hell are you supposed to understand how things work if you do not try them out? Shame on her. And why religion is brought into this, only she will know.
CTheB 3/2/2010 5:26:22 PM
The Bible may say that a man spilling his seed is a sin (though actually the reference is to Onan and the context makes it clear that it has nothing to do with masturbation in general), but it also says that people who don't observe the sabbath ought to be put to death. And how many Christians kill their children if they're disobedient or curse them? The Bible tells them to do it, but I doubt many actually do it. Clearly then, most Christians believe that it is acceptable to pick and choose to which rules in the Bible they will adhere. If it's acceptable not to kill children who curse their parents, why is it not acceptable to masturbate (when there's no unequivocally clear admonition of it in the Bible)?
mach_5 3/2/2010 5:58:41 PM
I'm not only into masturbation but also sadism, bestiality & necrophilia. Am I flogging a dead horse?
Trilslinger 3/2/2010 6:13:09 PM
I shout out my own name when I force my wors !
darkwing 3/2/2010 6:39:03 PM
Am I going to hell on a highway! That's with all the hair on my hands.
Willem 3/2/2010 6:54:51 PM
If people claim to be Christians they should stick to the instruction manual. I am a Christian and there are to many pragmatic people going around teaching what is not in The Bible.........ask Ms Wiid to prove her statements with Bible verses.
NG Ds 3/2/2010 7:31:32 PM
Please, will somebody just think a little bigger about God. Do you really think He worries about it if you masterbate twice a day, He who created all the phenomenon of sex? Is their a human trotting the globe who hasn't fantisised about sex. And stop the crap about masturbation is sin. I am a sold Freudian: The human being is a sexual being. Just be honest with youself, give Him the respect and honour Him in your life. You will find there is even place for good steamy sex in your life. And masturbation.
Lilly 3/2/2010 7:35:44 PM
There was a church in Bryanston who recently did a series on Sex in the City.They did a sermon on porn and masturbation that I found very interesting,it was called:"I still havent found what I am looking for..."Worth a listen whether you are a Christian or not, really...Go to www.godfirst.co.za and download it.
Guilty 3/2/2010 8:05:45 PM
There are only two kinds of people out there: Liars and wankers. You choose...
I am away from home for 6 months of the year and would rather masturbate than getting some ho.. If I do not release my stress I believe I would not be able to help myself when confronted with beauty.
I also encourage my wife to help herself when I am gone.
Rather be safe than sorry.
CTheB 3/2/2010 8:40:37 PM
@Craig - you're pretty self-righteous for someone so clearly ignorant. Perhaps your fantasies distract you from reality, but projecting your issues onto the rest of the world doesn't suddenly make that reality.

@Nicholas - you clearly don't know a lot about atheists, not to mention that you're a hypocrite, doing exactly what you're accusing atheists (all atheists, I notice) of doing.

In the same way that some Christians insist on sticking their noses where they don't belong, try to dictate behaviour to everyone, ridicule those who don't share their faith, make up stories about them to feel superior (such as saying they really know there is a god, blah, blah, blah), revelling in the belief that everyone who's not a Christian (of their particular sect) is going to suffer eternally,etc., etc., so some atheists vent at Christians. Have you ever noticed how seldom atheists vent at Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, etc.?

Read up on the dying words of famous atheists (Do you mean famous people who were also atheists, or people who were famous for being atheists)? Such as who? If you mention Darwin I recommend banging your head on the wall because his "famous last words" have been demonstrated to be a fabrication. Secondly, who cares? What does it matter if a handful of famous people suddenly became Christian on their death beds? That doesn't magically demonstrate the existence of a supernatural being that created everything. If anything it's a fine demonstration that Christianity's most powerful tool is fear and the foolishness of those on their death bed - if there were a god he'd have to be pretty stupid to accept the false repentance of someone who's not truly sorry for their deeds, but simply saying so because they're scared of what might happen to them after they die. It strikes me as odd to think that a loving parent would be happy with, "Yeah, I've terrified the living crap out of them to the point where they'll blubberingly go along with anything I say." That sounds more like the sort of thing a torturer would get excited about.

If the Christian god really cares more about worship and terror (indicated by Jesus' claim that he is the only way to Heaven, rendering simply leading a good life pointless), I'd say that's a pretty sad deity to be bowing down to. And what truly loving parent is going to punish a child who is good simply because the child doesn't accept the parent as their parent?
Mike 3/2/2010 8:43:57 PM
Nowhere in the bible does it say that masturbation is a sin, it is not even mentioned, so if any preacher is saying that it is a sin they are not quoting from the bible.
Fred 3/2/2010 8:49:22 PM
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
Kim 3/2/2010 8:58:04 PM
A pity that Ms Wiid has this opinion on masturbation. She is definately missing out! However everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess.

Self exploration is so important so that you get to know your own body and what you like or dislike in terms of stimulation.

As far as woman are concerned, they are becoming more liberated and taking matters into their own hands, excuse the pun.

I own an adult store and in the last 4.5 years I have definately noticed a change in the number of female customers I am getting in store. Woman are evolving sexually.

As far as masturbation ruining marriages.... I dont think so. I think marriages get ruined by lack of communication, lack of respect, external influences and so on.

IMHO masturbation is healthy and if someone says they dont masturbate...they are lying!
michelle 3/2/2010 9:05:46 PM
just because she does not know how to have good sex , does not mean we have to follow her boring, dull sex life. I love to do anything everything possible to have the best time between the sheets with my husband. looks like me and my husband is going to hell then!!ha, ha - what ever, boring cow!!!
cat 3/2/2010 9:33:42 PM
you all have a point in some way or the other and fully entitled to it and for sure I wont judge it, that is not my place.
although i am no saint, let it be known that you have been warned...life is about choices.
nadia69 3/2/2010 9:46:59 PM
When are any of you goign to larn that anything sexual published in the rag you metioned is controlled by a bucnh of Kappie Commando wierdo's...from the days the dominee would say sies to the latest agony aunties crap!
God 3/2/2010 9:52:56 PM
Since I'm not married, my second coming will have to be achieved via masturbation. Sorry to go against your wishes, Greta...
steyn 3/2/2010 10:22:43 PM
lucyfire, how much do you weigh? more than 60kg? go figure
Noc 3/2/2010 10:23:49 PM
"criminally stupid" - most definately, but I'm sure if I scratch a bit I could find more descriptive words. ;)

Nice column as usual Lili.
clank 3/2/2010 10:29:57 PM
I truly believe that one should only ever have sex with someone you truly love and respect. That is why I masturbate often.
IRRITATES 3/2/2010 10:41:52 PM
I'm sorry to say but i get so irritated with all these people for instance ANGUS and now GRETHA, what's next i don't see anything wrong if you masturbate they just all irritate me.....
Molly 3/2/2010 11:07:26 PM
Ya its all good fun until people would rather play with themselves than go out and interact.This could be the begining of the end after all.
dataphile 3/2/2010 11:27:31 PM
Here is why Greta's teachings does not apply to the unsaved:

If you are not born again you won't enter the kingdom of heaven. When you are born again you become a new person (born again, saved and sanctified). If you are a new person you will act like a new person. If you are not a new person you won't be expected to act like a new person.

So the unsaved will only be judged for the fact that they are unsaved, what they did while being unsaved is irrelevant. The saved will be judged more harshly. If you claim to believe you will be judged on whether you acted out your faith i.e. walked the walk and not just talked the talk.

Once you are saved and sanctified, living as a new person becomes much easier because that is who you are. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned.
Henri 3/2/2010 11:46:02 PM
Sies man Lili. Heo kan jy oor so iets praat?

Dit vat my n uur in die badkamer in die oggend wanneer ek my baard en hand palms skeer.
@Michael 3/2/2010 11:59:04 PM
The big almighty sky fairy said nothing of the sort!
Rory 3/3/2010 12:10:59 AM
I am a believer myself and recently looked up this topic on google.

In essence masturbation is not at all a sin in itself. It becomes a sin if you are thinking of another man or women other than your husband or wife while doing the deed.

Now therein lies the issue because how many people can safely say that every time that they masturbate that they are only fantasizing about their husband or wife? Very few, I know I have been there my whole life.

The bible is clear that these sinful thoughts are what is actually the problem.

"You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart" (Matthew 5:28).

If you can honestly masturbate for the right reasons then you are NOT committing a sin, if you always fantasize of someone other than your spouse then you have sinned.

I believe christian or not that this rule holds true none the less. I know from my own experience that fantasizing about other women in the long term was never healthy for my relationships,it may just be me though.
HungLikeaBullElephant 3/3/2010 5:47:48 AM
Women have orgasms?
Jay 3/3/2010 6:57:02 AM
Marriage is about committing 100% to the other party. A lot of the comments Ms Wiid says cannot be read out of context - however I think she is painting an unattainable picture for those couples who does not ALREADY have a loving, fully committed marriage. What she is preaching is focussed on staying happy, not attaining it. To reach true commitment, BOTH parties needs to let go / sacrifice self-centeredness and control.
Me 3/3/2010 7:04:51 AM
Would soooooo love to meet Lucyfire (drool)!!!!
@dvdm 3/3/2010 7:47:18 AM
I can see the good old christian mind control in your comment. Controlling our fantasies otherwise we burn in hell? Good one pull the other leg!
Point Blank@Craig 3/3/2010 8:37:37 AM
You see dude the problem with threatening and trying to scare us "non-believers" is that we do not believe in this hell full of fire place, get it?
Tinus 3/3/2010 8:49:44 AM
Why does Christians always want to force their religion onto everyone else? Justy - how would you react if I said "You need Satan in your life?"
Delivered 3/3/2010 8:51:20 AM
Masturbation is not usually very successful without fantasizing or some porn. Now fantacising about having sex with someone that is not your marriage partner is the same as adultery according to Jesus. Furthermore nothing that becomes an addiction is wholesome in the long term. To see if you are addicted - try to stop for 3 months. I agree with the statement that masturbation is sin - not because I think so, but because Jesus who I follow said so by implication. It is not my words that judge, but His words and your own words - I cannot judge you as I do not have that right/priviledge. BUT I can only speak for myself and say that I am SO grateful that I have been delivered from the bondage of masturbation and can enjoy a wonderful, exhilirating and fully satisfying sex life with my wife.
SONS OF SATAN 3/3/2010 8:56:31 AM
I really wish all you bible punching freaks would get a life, god is as real as shrek,and masturbation alone or with someone rocks!!!!!!!!! And don't read into my nick satan is as believable as the smurfs! you tossers
lucyfire@alli want 3/3/2010 8:57:29 AM
Hahaha alliwant. I'm not so openminded as to ever touch a married man. I like my brains not blown out by some disgruntled spouse.
Johny do Good 3/3/2010 9:00:47 AM
There is no correlation between this lady and Angus Buchan's teachings. ""Christians" are guilty of most of the WORST sins in humankinds history.." ALSO, NOT TRUE.. Hitler was a proud evolutionist and that's why he saw it fit to eliminate all other races but his own.
Also, I think masturbation is one of the healthiest things one can do, hopeing you love you're partner so much you can still fantasize about him/her.
Pompjoggie 3/3/2010 9:16:46 AM
All the guys quoting the Bible on "men not wasting their seed in/on the soil", can you please give us the verse that your are referring to? No preacher, including Me Wiid, could yet give me this verse.
John 3/3/2010 9:18:49 AM
I LOVE peeling the Banana. My GF on the other hand (excuse the pun) does not. You are TOTALY correct LucyFire... Like a microwave LOL I just LOVED that one. I totally agree with every point you make except the bashing. Each to his own is what I say.
lucyfire@steyn 3/3/2010 9:28:12 AM
lol. I'm not close to 60kgs dear. What do you think i don't date and choose to stay home and self-romance because i'm fat?

Sorry to burst your bubble but no. I'm slim, albeit a bit weird looking.

But as I said before i just had enough of guys that at 35 or 40 still don't know how a woman's body works.

lucyfire@ Delivered 3/3/2010 9:30:44 AM
Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

Addicted? Masturbation is natural. Are you addicted to food or breathing? Well don't eat for 3 months.

And who said anything about masturbating to porn? I can do it with or without.

Liz 3/3/2010 9:31:53 AM
This woman sounds like just ANOTHER person jumping on the "I am an expert" bandwagon to make a quick buck by misusing the Christian faith as the yardpole. Why is this subject even under discussion - why is Ms Wild not choosing to address the MORE URGENT issue's that are part of family life, social responsibility, education and community contributions. This Ms Wild DOES NOT speak on behalf of all Christians nor does she represent the Christian faith. But I have no doubt she will turn the books out, she will do the speaker and church circut with the desired publicity and she will make her money because people are unfortunatly very gullible.
Bad Oompie 3/3/2010 9:39:04 AM
draad trek skud en wat even better is, is wanneer julle did vir mekaar doen, voel en soen. Ek noem some my hande (Regs)Jessica en (Links)Alba baba,LOKL
william wallace@lucyfire 3/3/2010 9:52:23 AM
I see you have taken centre stage in this little 'meeting'... I have to agree with you, unfortunately despite what everyone says, guys are still very easily intimidated by a liberal girl. I was, but luckily we discussed everything before it became an issue. Now we are both out looking for 'new' adventures & places... ;-) The important thing, I think is to not give up on finding a soulmate... It took me a while but trust me, it is worth it. Good luck!
All I want@lucyfire 3/3/2010 10:15:50 AM
You misunderstand. I'M the disgruntled spouse who's begging to be blown. Whoa! Did I type that out loud?!?!? Can't wait for Thursday night when the wife goes out... the chicken gets throttled HEEHAA!!!!
Point Blank@Delivered 3/3/2010 10:53:00 AM
Released from the bondage of mastubation?? What the f***. FREAK!
lucyfire@alli want 3/3/2010 11:09:08 AM
You sound like a real keeper. No wonder your wife won't sleep with you.
AnneR 3/3/2010 11:19:55 AM
Interesting comments. I fail to understand what is so sinful about masturbation. Exploring your body and finding out what pleasures you more, is to the advantage of your relationship with your husband. Once a woman understands her own body and she relates that to her husband, it is a winning situation. I would rather have my husband masturbating when I am traveling and vice versa than finding pleasures outside our relationship. Seeing my husband touches himself in front of me and me doing the same is awesome and so good for our sexual relationship. It is because sex between men and women becomes dull and boring that "greener fields" are being seeked, which is causing severe trauma! Thank goodness we are not living in the olden days where sex was sin and woman had to lay silently down not enjoying sex! What a heck of a misconception we grew up because of the so called victorian upbringing. Masturbate and enjoy it (also together)~!!!!!!!
bytjies 3/3/2010 11:40:49 AM
i am a cristian an believe there is nothing wrong with mastribation. Please stop critisizing all cristians because one poor idiot does not know whats going on. We have wonderful bodies. I believe mastribation is a tool to keep yourself pure and celibate until you meet your life partner. i know few people are virgins when getting married these days, but thats what i believe. Every person is entitled to his own opinion. Just ask that you dont ditch Jesus because of one stupid person said. God is a God of love and not someone looking down waiting to stike you down when you sin. Please understand this and all other things will become clear!
All I want@lucyfire 3/3/2010 11:58:48 AM
Hey, do I detect some facetiously sacastic rhetoric from you, ironically born out of lonely misery? I suggest fattening up your fingers so you too can be well hung.

Excuse me now, I need to go get a grip on myself & not palm it off. (If you're still staring slackjawed at the screen, I'll draw you a picture). Bye-bye.
Well, hello there 3/3/2010 12:08:01 PM
Lucyfire, I've always loved a woman who knows what she wants in bed and is willing to say it. It's a heck of a turn-on. Why must it always only be guys that can talk dirty and get turned on by it ? Taking a ruk is as natural as breathing but it is A LOT better when the wife is watching you do it, and then she starts playing with herself too. Me and the missus have this thing where we'll both do ourselves while watching each other, and then try to not jump each other for as long as possible. So far 3,7 seconds seems to be the record. It's even better when we record ourselves and play it back which then obviously leads us to starting the whole thing again (which explains why I shoot powder out of my love-muscle these days)

To Mrs Wiid, you do what it takes to make your love life interesting, married or not. I'd much rather that the wife and I kill each other masturbating than looking for a hot fling outside the marriage. My wife, at my side in public is a lady but in the bedroom, she's my whore. Her mother told her once "hou sy maag vol en sy eiers leeg" which is the best damn advice I've heard since forever.

Mr Wallace, those 10 commandments you talk about only apply to Jewish people and not to christians. They were given to Moses to give to the "His chosen people". God wasn't talking to christians and it's ridiculous that they've somehow come to believe that the commandments are applicable to them too. They're not and it says it very clearly in the bible. The OT, and the commandments in them, is a watered down Torah. There are actually about 650 commandments and 10 "statements". Christians have 1 commandment only and that is to love their fellow man as they would themselves.

In closing, Malaysia (and I'm sure other countries too) have two sets of laws: one for Muslims and one for non-Muslims. I would like to see how quickly christians would renounce their religion (not faith) if we were to apply all the laws in the OT to them. I figure it would take about a week especially with gems like staying outside the city if you have your period, not eating shellfish on Fridays, being put to death for wearing two types of fibre in your clothes.
livs 3/3/2010 1:09:32 PM
Preshen maybe you should read up more about things before you say dumb %$#@ like you do. Sorry to bust your ego but seriously sweety don't be a hater because a dildo can do a better job than you can and a lesbian can use whatever tool she wants because unlike a guy, well not all guys but a guy like you, we like to make sure our partners are satisfied before falling asleep.. man your a typical'BOY'
Tracy Todd 3/3/2010 2:26:48 PM
Love, explore and touch yourself all over your entire body as often as possible just because... you CAN!

I lost the privilege of being able to do that when I was paralyzed from the neck down in a car accident. Now, I cannot even rub my own nose. I didn't appreciate what I had (and what I could do) until I lost it all.

Do whatever makes you happy in your heart because in an instant EVERYTHING can change.
Biltong1 3/3/2010 2:31:06 PM
@pompjoggie The Biblical reference to masturbation is in Genesis when God judges Cain harshly for ‘spilling his seed on the ground’ and for being a hunter of animals, whereas he judges Abel favourably because Abel is fruitful and works the soil for a living. Look it up.

As some of you have mentioned, there are only 2 rules for Christians to follow
(1) Love your God with all your heart, mind, body and soul.
(2) Love your neighbour as you love yourself. All else is redundant.
Christians please note that your neighbour may be atheist, Muslim, gay, whatever….think about it.

Closing thought… when you masturbate, who are you pleasuring, who are you loving? Yourself, right?
Enja 3/3/2010 2:49:00 PM
Nothing wrong with it. If you want something done right... do it yourself!!! Hey Linda, where do find guys that are actually intersted in us single moms? Plz share:)
lucyfire@tracy Todd 3/3/2010 2:56:24 PM
*hug*
Willem 3/3/2010 3:03:41 PM
What is really concerning here is that this daft Wiid woman is poluting the minds of so many woman who are already suffering under the Calvinistic curse they so unwillingly had stuffed down their throats in the Dutch Reformed Church. My favourite quote is the one where she states that homosexuality is not a reality. Wtf does that mean in any event? Gretha, I am a raging, masturbating homosexual, and feel wildly proud of it. Here's to 70 years of no orgasms for Gretha Wiid!!!
The Light 3/3/2010 10:50:41 PM
Have no doubt that God must be saddened by the empty headed moronic utterances flowing forth from this incredibly important topic masturbation. The self centred indulgence by the various self proclaimed "prophets" responding to this article is sickening. By the way I masturbate regularly and do not believe that there is anything wrong with it. Together with that I spend time on what is really the only important thing and that is to lead a purposefull life dedicated to God.
Grow up 3/4/2010 9:07:55 AM
I'm a christian, but i don't agree with Wiid at ALL - her comments are outrages and far fetched.
AND to JUSTY - Go read the definition of masturbation:
Erotic stimulation of one's own genital organs, usually to achieve orgasm - so its NOT meant for TWO - if you agree with everything Wiid says, you obviously think people should still be stoned... GROW UP - we live in 2010 - not the stone ages... and if you think all people who masturbates and homosexuals are sinners.. i'll be the first person to go stand against a wall, and you and Wiid can cast the first stone!!
Ted 3/4/2010 10:41:27 AM
Masturbation is actually good for guys, besides reducing your anxiety for premature ejaculation it also prevents prostate cancer. So, I say YES to masturbation.
Ellmari 3/4/2010 12:31:23 PM
I think Ms Wiid is 'criminally stupid', as she is talking about something she doesn't have any knowledge of. It's because of people like her that I'm not interested in Christianity anymore...narrow minded views and always eager to judge and condemn others who have different views. WAKE UP people - don't make your own laws according to your own views! Masturbation is FINE and NICE. I pity Ms Wiid's husband...poor thing! To have such a dull (and stupid) wife! Will God say one day: "You masturbated....you go to HELL"?
Martin 3/4/2010 12:36:55 PM
Stupid article. How do u think being less sexually moral will be better for HIV. Everything is connected, took me a long time to stop masturbating, and its great being in control now. U can make anyone out as some stupid christian if you qoute them out of context. And yes, christians cheat also, but the word christians isnt in the bible. And masturbation is mentioned in the bible, thou should rather throw thy seed in the hand of a whore than your own... Thats how big a thing this is
Lili 3/4/2010 12:48:06 PM
Erm Martin dear, the last time I checked I didn't have "seed to spill." ??
steve@martin 3/4/2010 2:12:21 PM
Martin, your a complete chop. You must be a helluva boring old chap. Your poor penis.
The Horned God 3/4/2010 2:24:45 PM
Isn't it funny how the REAL *wankers* seem to be the ones insisting that masturbation is bad for you?!!? :)
@ Martin: yes, mine is also a pretty big thing, but then I simply use both hands to control it while 'buttering the mielie'...
(oh, and clearly if you are not 'doing it' with anyone else, but only with yourself, then you have pretty much nullified the threat of HIV, wouldn't you agree?)
The Horned God 3/4/2010 2:36:42 PM
Reminds me of the joke where the priest and the party animal get to heaven. The priest is asked if he ever masturbated or used his penis for fornication in any way. he says no, he only ever used his penis to pee with. So he is told to wait. The party animal is asked the same and replies that he masturbated every day, when he wasn't having wild orgies. He is told he can enter immediately. Upon hearing this, the priest angrily confronts St Peter about this clear disparity, only to be told: "This is Paradise, mate, not a p*sspot!!"
dada 3/4/2010 3:18:12 PM
Where in the bible is masterbation a sin.God is not after sin,but after saving lives.religion is after sin.Read Romans 6 v 14 ,,and according the new testament , sin is anything that u do without faith , that we are born again , we have faith ,glory to God.Study the word of God and u willl be amazed at your discovery not what religion or a one of the confused bishop or pastor is telling , study it by yr self,
What the... 3/4/2010 3:29:00 PM
Sorry Tracy Todd, but how did you manage to type the post then..?
Well, hello there 3/4/2010 3:42:03 PM
Lili, need to go off-topic for 2 seconds, hope this makes the comments.

* whips out Mr Johnson and starts stroking *

Martin, that bible you keep referring to has a number of flaws in it and it's not stuff you can argue away with things like translation, grammar, syntax, language and ambiguity. Of the 4 gospels, 2 deal with events surrounding the birth of Yeshua ben Yosef. Those gospels disagree on where He was born and what happened in the first few days of His life. Matthew tells of the Magi, Herod, Joseph fleeing to Egypt and returning to Nazareth after Herod dies (the common one). In Luke's version, shepards and not Magi herald Him, He is presented in the temple 8 days after His birth and no babies are killed. Herod is not even emperor.

If it can differ about an event on which almost your entire religion is based, don't you think it can differ about other stuff too ? And it differs in a way that cannot just be ignored or reasoned away by dreams, inspiration, experience of God, etc. Every time your book is re-translated, it loses or gains a verse or two (google 'missing bible verses') and very possibly the verse you've quoted is not going to be there with the next translation. So please, stop using text from a book that was compiled by +- 250 bishops at the First Council of Nicea in 325 AD. God didn't instruct them on what to add into or delete from the bible; Man did and you are dancing, 2000 years later, to the whim of religious PEOPLE (human beings in other words), who believed the earth was flat.

Find something else to base your comments or your opinion on. You can in no way claim the moral highground just because your book says so. We all don't dance to it, and you're supposed to BE the change you want in other people. Tell me how He has made your life better; not how YOU think I'm going to hell because of something Onan did 6000 years ago while eyeing the goats. Muslims actually have one up on you guys regarding their Koran. The first sentence in it is 19 words long. Thereafter the name of God in one form or another appears exactly 19 times on every single page.

* lights ciggie because now I'm done *
Hanswors 3/4/2010 7:25:13 PM
The religious bloggers on this topic typifies what is wrong with our society. "God" has said that even thinking about sex with somebody who is not you wife, is a sin let alone doing "it". What kind of a god is that? I am not saying we should have orgies 24/7, but if you really like somebody, why not have a bit of fun with said someone? Noooo, because "religion" (read "mind control") frowns upon casual sex. I wish people would just throw off the shackles of this man-made concept and live a little without always worrying about the possibility of burning in hell for having impure thoughts and having enjoyable sex.
Handy 3/5/2010 8:00:44 AM
I love pulling wire, its the best. Bring on the baby oil...lets toss
Rodders 3/5/2010 9:20:34 AM
@ 'Well Hello There' - Bwa HA HA - dude, that is the best, most succint and perfectly reasoned argument I've ever heard (so clearly, it will not be understood at all by the god botherers, who'll probably just foam at the mouth some more!!)
Tracy Todd 3/5/2010 11:21:56 AM
@what the...I have no reason to lie. I do not wish this fate on my worst enemy. I use voice activated software to operate my computer (Dragon NaturallySpeaking). I can do everything by the computer that you can do by simply using my voice. Technology is amazing... isn't it?

I invite you to learn more about my world by reading my blog http://tracytodd.wordpress.com/
Well, hello there 3/5/2010 12:19:41 PM
Thanks Rodders, you should see some of the other stuff I've got up my sleeve, stuff that will blow old Martin out of the water.

I recently read up on the dreaded disease of "sexual frustration for women in the middle ages" and was amazed to learn that the vibrator was a medical device specifically invented and used to relieve the frustrations of the wummins. It was a documented medical problem see (this bit about frustration) and there were even nurses whose sole purpose was to "attend" to women. Gals would pop into these places say during lunch for some stress relief and float back to the office. And it wasn't seen as something lekker to do to a girl; it was seen as a boring old job and particularly so if you had a squirter on your hands * haha * (I'm looking at you Mrs Hello there and your uhm, ability).

Get this gentlemen, if a lady didn't get her rocks off, that one week period in which you normally don't mess with her, would be extended to 4 weeks or even 52 weeks. It would seem that the fairer sex needs to blow off steam (or squirt) as much as we do and the medical profession has known about this even before Mr Newton's head was smacked by that apple.

I would have worked for free. They would only have had to feed me occasionally. They could even have kept their leave. And I would have used my own tool, cost savings measures and all that.
Chritians 3/5/2010 3:51:09 PM
Biggest hypocrits. Dont know anything as anything goes. Believe in anything. They think they god.
Pollie 3/5/2010 9:36:56 PM
I think you (Lili), Mrs. Wiidsbeen and Malema should meet up and then jump of the Bloukrans bridge (without any bungee cord).

All three of you are equally witless. I can't believe they actually pay fools like you to write such drivel.

If there are any smart people among the sheeple at News24, please fire this quack and replace her with someone like Preshen. His comments are the only reason I visit this stupid excuse for a blog.
Truth 3/6/2010 8:12:00 AM
You have two types of people on this earth
Wankers and Liars
don 3/8/2010 10:23:53 AM
"Then Judah said to Onan, 'Lie with your brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to produce offspring for your brother.' But Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so he put him to death also." (Genesis 38:8-10)

seems like God killed people for spilling their seed on the ground. He prefers his followers to sleep with whores to messing semen.

Now you followers know what to do!
camelthief 3/9/2010 2:56:00 PM
Gosh is this one still going on?! I love the way even those who believe in the bible, like to be selective about which bits they like. Good one don! Even if you use that passage to guide your life (shame) it clearly states that god was peed off with Onan, not because he wanked, but because he disobeyed an order to make the chick pregnant.
thehman 3/10/2010 8:06:35 AM
God wants us to have a wonderful marriage and "wanking" is created by a furtile imagination I don't think the act as much as deviating from your partner is the problem. God intended us to be faithful and by fantasising we are then commiting a sin, consider that we are meant to be monogomous and if Mr or Mrs palm join the relationship it is as bad as another person joining but hey just my bible punching opinion.I love sex and my wife is far better at it than Mrs palm could ever be!
Tebzhito 3/10/2010 12:35:03 PM
@Anti Christ, it so amazing how muslims are against Christianity and frankly Christians don't give a damn about muslims. thus you never hear of people called anti muslims, we are not against it coz it doesn't threaten our religion, you speak against Jesus and we never mention mohammed. your brothers in asia are fighting everyday killing one another because of the stupid mentality you people have. is it Jesus who make you fight? stop being hypocretes and learn the ways of God. may Jesus forgive you and your siblings who are going to respond to this.
misabo 3/10/2010 6:10:19 PM
Masturbation is sex with someone you love.
Rea 3/10/2010 9:53:25 PM
I think masturbation is a beautiful and wonderful way to explore and get to know your body, yourself and your desires.
Anon 3/18/2010 1:03:31 PM
I own 12 different sex toys. 4 for anal play. I love it. I love exploring my body in front of a mirror. Every women should know their body better than their spouses, otherwise how you going to teach your life partner. Enjoy life and what it has to offer.
Moedswil 3/20/2010 9:17:32 AM
Lili, I still think you're one very insecure girl with a crap load of personal issues. If a moron like auntie Wiid inspires you to write an article like this in fear of handing over your vagina, then you've got a a way bigger problem than I do!
Solo 3/24/2010 12:40:24 PM
Nothing wrong with masturbation!

I have perfected masturbation to the level that I only have sex in emergencies!
Smeee 3/24/2010 8:26:58 PM
Well for the Christians.....

Ephesians 5:3 says, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality...

So I really whish I could get masterbation to get pass that one!?
jujubaby 3/31/2010 2:48:32 PM
eish its so nice to explore urself how unholy it is. I dont care it is a mind over matter if it matter to it doesnt to me. so keep ur opinion to urself ms whoever the hell u are
Gruntfuttock of Africa 4/8/2010 10:07:14 PM
Today's fourteen year olds have more theoretical and practical knowledge and experience of sex than today's so called experts.. thank goodness!!
Sarah 4/15/2010 5:58:58 PM
You guys really need to take a step back, actually listen to this women, when she speaks...and not the soul destroying media....you will find that absolutely EVERYTHING Lilly said Mrs Wiid says about sex and marriage is incorrect.....she does NOT believe in being oppressed and having a master...she actually believes in equality but that in the spiritual sense, the man is the head of the house! Come on people....who is now narrow-minded???
rix 4/20/2010 12:43:55 PM
oh please, even newborns with no concept of sex and sin explore their own bodies, it's just paranoid parents that tell them "oh no, don't do that"
James 4/22/2010 4:22:46 PM
Is the article about masturbation or an attack on Mrs Wiid. I personally did not find the article of any value except to the author who chose to use a public forum to vent.
Bon 5/10/2010 10:04:36 AM
What really frightens me is how many women actually BELIEVE this rubbish!!
OUTRAGED AND DUMBSTRUCK 5/12/2010 4:15:15 PM
I am now dumb for reading this article, and even worse the reader comments, A good hour or so of my life I can never ever get back:-0
1. This is not the place for religious attacks
2. why alot of you guys feel the need to share what goes on in the privacy of your own bedroom is beyond me
3. Stop generalizing and carrying on like internet trolls !
4. Some of you need to seek the help of a professional, like a psychologist or a Pastor
5. Elkeen maak in sy eie huis soos hy smaak, please dont tell others what to do, unless you pay their salary's

I have to admit though, I always do have quite a few laughs at some of the comments, cant believe there is ppl out there with IQ'S of village idiots, die taktiek van 'n bad-teel, bwhahahaha, I mean everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but really now....

Caren Harmon 7/22/2010 1:21:11 PM
Oh my God.I know I should not read articles about Greta Wiid,but yes she is braindead,the sad thing is that the amount of Afrikaans speaking women that listern to her,is alarming......Looking at Greta and Buchan followers...I ask myself,Is the average afrikaner slightly or severly retarded?
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