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Female Genital Mutilation - it's a reality!

Despite the fact that we are now in the 21th century, some men and women cling to harmful cultural practices. Why?

In 2004, my aunty Sarah Moris went to the Mara region in Tanzania to give birth. She fled back to the city in Dar es Salaam for fear of having her genitals cut while in labour.

Female genital mutilation (FGM) is practiced in 28 countries in Africa, including Tanzania and in a few countries in Asia and the Middle East. In Tanzania the practice continues secretly upcountry because it is against the Sexual Offences Special Provisions Act of 1998.

According to the Tanzania Media Women's Association (TAMWA) Executive Director Ananilea Nkya, girls who escape the practice are sometimes later forced to face it during labour when their mother in-laws bribe medical personnel to perform the surgery.

My aunt, who is from the same region but different tribes, was asked by her husband to go to his village to deliver, so that she could have help from the elderly women, as it was her first marriage.

As she was waiting to have her baby, her 17-year-old sister-in-law informed her that she was to undergo FGM during birth, as their culture required their men to only marry women who had undergone FGM. She further learned that her husband had conspired with his people to bring her to the village, under the pretext of having help with the baby after she had delivered.

With the help of her relatives who lived nearby in the region, she was able to flee back to the city where she had her baby safely.

Despite the fact that we are now in the 21th century, some men and women cling steadfast to harmful cultural practices. It is ironic that women themselves refuse to do away with such cultural practices, they are even ready to put a fellow woman’s life at risk by cutting her genitals while she is in the process of giving birth.

Putting an end to FGM - Is it possible?
The World Health Organization (WHO) is putting on pressure to end FGM done secretly by health professionals. A 2004/2005 Research by the United States Agency International Development (USAID) shows that in Tanzania 89% of FGM is traditionally performed and two percent medically performed.

According to Nkya, more effort is needed to rescue girls especially in the rural areas.  The USAID study shows that prevalence by age is 14.6%  in the ages 15 -49, 9.1% in those aged between 15 and 19 years, and 16%  in the 35-39 years category.

In urban areas FGM is performed in 7.2% of the female population, while it is 17.6% in rural areas. There are wide variations by region, from 0.8% to 57.6% of the female population.

Dr Guyo Jadesa, a consulting obstetrician and gynecologist in Nairobi, says that FGM can be life threatening. “Immediate physical complications include hemorrhage, failure to heal as a result of wound sepsis and injury of adjacent tissue of urethra or even death,” says Jadesa. “There is also a risk of HIV infection due to the use of one instrument in multiple operations.”

Jadesa  also highlights that FGM could be linked to increased complications in childbirth and even maternal deaths. He says the deaths attributable to FGM ranged from 11 to 17 per 1000 deliveries while in relation to background prenatal mortality rates of 40-60 per 1000 deliveries in the world.

An estimated 100 to 140 million girls and women have undergone the practice and at least three million girls worldwide are at risk of being subjected to the practice each year. FGM/C comprises all procedures involving partial or total removal of the female external genitalia or other injury to the female genital organs for non-medical reasons.    

Sexual purity - the reason why it's 'necessary'
Studies show that FGM is a requirement that enforces the cultural value of sexual purity in females by controlling female sexual desires, thereby ensuring virginity before marriage and fidelity throughout a woman`

Along with numerous other commitments to gender equality and ending violence against women, most of the region's leaders signed on to the Southern African Protocol on Gender and Development last August. This agreement includes provisions to ensure that states shall take measures including legislation, where appropriate, to discourage traditional norms, including social, economic, cultural and political practices which legitimise and exacerbate the persistence and tolerance of gender based violence with a view to eliminate them. FGM is one such form of violence which must be addressed. .

There is a need for the media in Tanzania to educate the public on the dangers of continuing with this practice, which not only dangers the health of women but might also cause their deaths. People need to rethink their attitudes towards harmful cultural practices. This is not to say that we need to ignore our culture but to keep the best parts and discard the one sthat cause harm

Imagine if this young woman had not alerted my aunty! Maybe she would be mutilated today or even dead caused by bleeding of the exercise and birth as a whole.

Rosemary Mirondo works with The Guardian in Tanzania. This article is part of the Gender Links Opinion and Commentary Service series for the 16 Days of Activism.

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Sansha 11/30/2009 9:14:11 AM
Up until two years ago i thought FGM was a thing of the past or at least only practiced by tiny jungel villages far away from society,
I cant belive that people that know better just stand by and let things happen.im so happy that some sort of change is happening though.and i pray that humans will stop being so terribly one track minded.A woman is not some ferral creature that just wants to have sex all the time you dont need to mutilate her to stop her from cheating on her husband all she needs is moral fiber and a good upbringing.God help us if in 2009 people still think like barbarians.
Jonathan 11/30/2009 9:26:53 AM
What is not mentioned in this article is that this barbaric practice is a Muslim tradition not only practiced in Africa and is in line with the misogynistic tenets of that superstition.
KENNETH 11/30/2009 9:41:19 AM
i believe the original intention was noble, unfortunately it was assumed that cheating happened bcos women had desire,but in actuall fact it would have worked better if they cut the man's genitals.
Anne S @ Jonathan 11/30/2009 9:48:32 AM
Jonathan that is very informative! I did not know it was a Muslim tradition but it does make sense as the Muslims are VERY oppressive against women and lots of Africans are Muslim. This is why I love to interact on the Forums. You LEARN a great deal. Thank you for your comment!
shingi 11/30/2009 9:57:24 AM
Jonathan
Im afraid your comment is totally incorrect and reflects disturbing ignorance. The article omits the Muslim 'connection' because, guess what there isnt one! Where in Islamic text is FGM promoted? I challenge you to back this up with defendable evidence from Islamic text, which I doubt you have ever bothered to read. To say FGM is a muslim tradition is as ridiculous as to suggest that colonialism, hitler's anti-semitism and slavery are Christian traditions.
That is not to deny that FGM is practiced in Muslim societies. It is practiced in Christian societies also, as it is in Animist and other societies where people have erroneously meshed cultural traditions with religion. The matter of where FGM is practiced should not detract from the fact that it is an abomination, and that is what we need to grapple with, not ill-conceived ideas about other religions.
Tyler 11/30/2009 10:03:05 AM
(we're in the 21st century not the 20th)
Women24 Team 11/30/2009 10:06:35 AM
Well spotted Tyler! We've made the changes so it should reflect shortly.

Thank you x
Thulile 11/30/2009 10:13:17 AM
This is sick, it must stop immediately, are they God, who gave them the right to decide how your private part should look like, what is good and what is bad for you, it is a sick culture
@Jonathan-Anne-othersoflikemind 11/30/2009 10:47:02 AM
As a practicing and devout muslim woman, I have to categorically disagree with you for blaming islam for FGM. I have never heard of it connected with islam. I have read many studies of it being performed in superstitious african & asian cultures tho. Also, not all arabs are muslim, just because it happens in rural arab areas, does not imply they are muslim. It's origins r believd to be from Pharoac times. http://www.mtholyoke.edu/~ehtoddch/politics/historyfgm.html. Read up & stop embarressing urself with uninformed comments.
Nico 11/30/2009 10:48:49 AM
Just an interesting thought: Is circumscision of young boys and young men, not for a medical reasons but as a cultural practice (and often without real consent) not equally indefencible? I would say so, yet there doesn't seem to be the same intense debate about that!
shazia 11/30/2009 10:52:44 AM
Thank you shingi for enlighting us on the facts.Its illiterate people like Jonathan & Anne who influence other illerate people to confuse religion & peoples tradition.People should get their facts right before they make stupid comments.
Lili 11/30/2009 11:03:24 AM
@Nico, please read up on female genital mutilation before you compare it to circumcision of males. The dangers, procedures, reasons and results are not the same at all.
Lilma@nico 11/30/2009 11:18:37 AM
NIco - circumscision in males is the removal of the foreskin ONLY!!! Female circumscicsion is the the removal of the whole clitoras - now if male circumscision was the removal of the whole penis, i am sure it would be as big an issue. I don't believe that even men shoudl be circumscised until they are at an age to make the decision themselves.
To Jonathan & Anne S 11/30/2009 11:24:03 AM
People like you are like the media, always ready to open you filthy mouth without getting your facts correct or you dont even try to do some research before you write sht. Where have you ever heard of read of muslim FGM. One can see from what you write that you guys are just naive and can be fooled by anything. You are a disgrace to human society and as for Anne S, you need to stop believing in what other say and try to do some research on you own. Women in islam are not oppressed maybe you are so thats why you think others are. Try socialising with muslim women and learn from them.
RifRaf 11/30/2009 11:24:36 AM
This is the same as all those helpless babies that have their foreskin cut-off at birth in the name of religion. Just another barbaric ritual with no medical reason what-so-ever.
dare to all the males that say this is the same as circumscision 11/30/2009 11:41:24 AM
http://vodpod.com/watch/1834796-fgm-female-genital-mutilation-female-circumcision-
Anne S 11/30/2009 11:46:07 AM
If course Muslim women are oppressed. Why do they need to ware black all over their bodies and only may show their eyes even in this heat???? This IS oppression. I don't have to do research on this one as I can THINK for myself. Perhaps you should try it.
@rifraf 11/30/2009 11:50:20 AM
Imagine them cutting your whole penis off and only leaving a little hole in your baody to urinate from... scary thought but that is what FGM is ..they remove the clitoris and the LAbie, adn in the most strict countries sew up the outer labia leaving only a small whole for the urine and menstarl blood to leak out of. think about it when this woman gets married or pregnant - this skin is ripped apart as it does not have the stimulation or space to stretch. This is human!!!
Badger 11/30/2009 11:51:28 AM
My wife and I watched a documentary on this a number of years ago and my wife burst into tears and could not watch any longer. These woman "elders" took this young girl (no more than 5 or 6 years old) sat her down, forced her legs open and used a minora blade to slice off the Cl!t. This poor child screamed blue murder while these "elders" just sliced away as if they were peeling potatoes. Once they were done, they place charcoal over the wound, took strips of fabric, closed her legs and wrapped this fabric around them. Then left the little girl to cry alone in her hut.

This is a barbaric believe and should be banned. Anyone caught doing it should be SHOT.
Badger 11/30/2009 12:20:34 PM
@ RIFRAF,,, read the scriptures about circumcision. Nuff Said !!!
Anne S 11/30/2009 12:25:06 PM
That is the problem Anne S you think tooooo much and you nthink tooo much of sht, you judge people and relogoin by what you see so I guess you think the same of NUNS. Why dont you with you small thinking brains and BIG mouth stop a female dressed in clothing that she is happy to wear but you are not and ask her why she wears that and if it is her choice or is she forced to wear them. You are so judgemental, I hate to see you expression when you see in the mirror.
PoorAnneS 11/30/2009 12:48:11 PM
Thinker? Pls dnt insult our intelligence. It is common knowledge that prejudices are borne out of jumping to conclusions, which u seem to have done just by looking at women who cover themselves. In those countries where it is compulsory, it is cultural influence once again imposing itself on religion... Do u even read other opinions or r u that narrow-minded that u cant even discuss this with these so-called oppressed women...afraid of what u wil hear?
Anne S @ Invisibles 11/30/2009 12:56:13 PM
Go dress in black during the summer months and see how you sweat!!! On the other hand a FOOL should suffer because of foolishness...
RifRaf 11/30/2009 12:57:57 PM
@Badger. I don't read fairy tales anymore.
@ANNE S 11/30/2009 1:30:57 PM
The problem with you is that u assume that these people dressed in black are suffering, they dont have to worry about skin cancer whilst you bake in the sun so called tanning. Like I said b4, speak directly to those that you critise, dont critises those that you see with your tiny brains.
@anne S 11/30/2009 1:39:23 PM
In that case you should go nude in summer. Nothing but a hat and sunscreen. But most people don't because of modesty. It is the same for burkas, different requirements for modesty. Oh, and I am a nudist, because my modesty has nothing to do with my genitals. In SA, no woman is forced to dress in a certain way, that is choice. It may be true in oppressive countries, but most Islamic women I know fight against oppression.
Badger 11/30/2009 2:23:39 PM
RIFRAF, I'm not going to bible bash you, if you don't believe, well then you don't. However, if you did, you would be amased at how things in your life change and it's not luck. Try it, you may even like it. ;->
Anne S @ Invisibles 11/30/2009 2:48:18 PM
“Most Islamic women fights against oppression” WHY for the love of Neil Diamond would they FIGHT oppression if they are not in fact OPPRESSED!!!! You 2 geniuses should really buy a website and start your own stupidity blog. Remember to place photos of yourself on it so that we may warn Cancer patients NOT to take advice from the 2 ninja ladies dressed in black.
@Anne S 11/30/2009 3:02:58 PM
LOL! Your blatant ignorance shown in all of your comments not only to this article, but to so many other Women24 articles is actually hilarious. On the other hand, it is quite sad to think that there are so many 'Anne Ss' out there that do not give any thought to the garbage and drivel they post whenever they see a comments box. Anne S, rather use the time you spend leaving stupid, useless comments to educate yourself before subjecting all and sundry to your ignorance.
LOL 11/30/2009 3:50:06 PM
"If course Muslim women are oppressed. Why do they need to ware black all over their bodies and only may show their eyes even in this heat???? This IS oppression. I don't have to do research on this one as I can THINK for myself. Perhaps you should try it. " ANNE YOUR AN IDIOT THIS IS NOT TRUE .. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT BEFORE POSTING SH!T LIKE THIS STUPID WOMAN MAYBE YOU SHOULD BE SOLD OFF SOME WHERE BY YOUR HUSBAND
AnnieR 11/30/2009 3:56:30 PM
FGM is not a muslim practice for women. I am not muslim but I know for a fact that FGM is not their practice. Yes, boys are being circumsized when they are babies. FGM in Africa is a barbaric act and mutilation of the woman's body. It is a practice by some African cultures in Africa. Anne S, you are extremely rude and it is such a pity. Rudeness is not needed to comment. I am very glad for your brilliant IQ according to you, but comment with dignity and not rudeness. We are different human beings with different view points and that makes life more valuable and interesting. Build not break down!
Nico 11/30/2009 4:03:41 PM
The ladies who responded so fiercely to my reference to male circumscision, missed the point. The intention is not to compare the two practises in any other way than to condemm ALL forms of forced mutilation for culteral purposes - it is after all, nothing but assault, which as we know differs in severity from case to case, but still remains an assault and as such unlawful.
Anne S @ LOL 11/30/2009 4:22:02 PM
Are you an observant Muslim?? Do YOU have research to back what you are claiming?? N O!!! Unfortunatly my husband passed away a few years ago and will not be able to sell me off. People think I'm rude...
Shawn 11/30/2009 9:41:32 PM
Well, I am very much against female genital mutilation, I wish that males like myself got the same protection in the US, circumcision is genital mutilation done to either males or females, both are a violation of human rights and both should be outlawed.

And don't you dare tell me, FGM is worse, the hell it is, and really that doesn't matter, still a violation of HIS body.
CrookedCrusade 12/1/2009 12:16:16 AM
Anne Anne Anne, you really do not know what you are speaking about !!! your lack of knowledge is embarrassing if you want to criticize Islam do it based on Knowledge that you acquired not on a silly assumption you are an embarrassment to us Christians
RifRaf 12/1/2009 8:34:40 AM
How did all the Christian religios zealots get so fired up. I thought you were about love and tolerance. Perhaps you are what you hate .... angry, oppressive and dominating.
Concerned 12/1/2009 12:29:17 PM
Ill really concerend for you ppl, the fact remains it does not matter from what culture/religion/time this comes from, the point being its something that needs to stop. Women who undergo this procedure and are able to survive it suffer in the long term anyways, its not about just that time of the act but what comes from it in the long run. Ppl its the whole act in-itself that we need to fight agains, not the culture or the believe.
Ismail 12/1/2009 12:51:10 PM
As a muslim, i have to say that FGM is a barbaric custom, and rightly condemned in Islam , as well as any form of inhumane treatment of women. This does not mean muslim women in some parts of the world do not suffer from these harmful cultural practices as well as oppression and abuse. Muslim women should increase awareness about these social issues and injustices around the world affecting women and especially muslim women, which is against the true spirit of islam and the teachings of the rasul. There needs to be more activists among the muslim female community ( Y are there so few ??). I find it annoying that muslim women, the majority of whom around the world do not wear this black burqa and niqab( face veil), which is an arab cultural practice, and not a religious garb, go around defending this stupid practice, yet have no time to educate, and inform their communities. Islam encourages modest beauty. Why don't muslim women educate themselves better about Islam, instead of us blaming others for having the wrong view. I would like to challenge all women out there to speak out against abuse of women in all societies and ignore religious zealots
RJB 12/1/2009 12:52:52 PM
FGM - I think is it another form of female abuse! It is shocking. It can pass on disease and illness, the process can kill the victim if not during the process then during child birth. Should be banned completely
Jacky 12/1/2009 1:03:22 PM
Jonathan aaactually is correct, and for any that wish to verify this please read on -
At the age of 50, Muhammad became engaged to a six-year-old girl named Aisha, whom he married when she was nine. The idea was that she was, by that age, sexually mature. This explains why Ayatollah Khomeini set the minimum legal age at which girls could be married in Iran at 9 years old. If a girl is sexually mature, she possesses fitna (an Arabic word for social chaos, chaos in the sense that if the woman is not subjected to severe sexual control, she will tempt men to break Islam’s harsh sexual prohibitions)The most extreme form of biological sexual control of women is genital mutilation. Many people claim that genital mutilation has nothing to do with Islam. This is untrue. Muhammad issued a blanket prohibition against eating pork. But he did not forbid genital mutilation. Instead he encouraged his followers not to perform the most radical form of mutilation, telling them in his sunna not to “overdo it.” Thus we have the practice known as “sunna circumcision.” Today, Muhammad’s statements continue to be cited in support of the tradition. According to the shafi school of Islamic law, which is followed by Somalis (among others), it is an obligation to “circumcise” girls. This rule, naturally, has consequences for Muslim girls throughout the Western world today. The Hadith related to female circumcision (that I could find):-
"When two circumcised parts unite then bathing becomes obligatory." (Sahih, Reported by Ahmad and Al-Baihaqee)
The saying of the Messenger (SAW) in the Hadith of Umm ‘Atiyyah to a female circumcision:
"When you circumcise then do not cut severely, since that is better for her and more pleasing to the husband." (Reported by Abu Dawud and Al-Baihaqee and declared Hasan by Shaikh Al-Albani).
"Circumcision is Sunnah for men, a noble action for women" (Related by Ahmad & al-Bayhaq).
I would therefore advise all to look in the Quaran and Hadiths themselves. Take no mans or womans word for it, it you agree not, but look for yourselves.

Anne S 12/1/2009 3:22:23 PM
Thank you for that well researched piece of information Jacky!!!!!!!

PSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTT... Just me spraying some insect killer to get rid of all the other UNINFORMED Fruitflies on this Forum.
Zain 12/1/2009 3:55:17 PM
For Muslims, cliterodectomy and infibulation should be considered harâm (prohibited) practices and opposition to it should be part of our ongoing mandate to fight against superstition and oppression. As to the mildest form of female circumcision, the risks to the girl's future ability to enjoy sexual relations with her husband must place it at best in the category of makrûh (disliked) practices. Since it has neither hygienic nor religious value, there is no justification for Muslims to engage in this painful and potentially harmful practice and it would be best to avoid it completely
Sam 12/1/2009 4:02:50 PM
It's quite easy to twist hadith around and add unauthentic nonsense to claim that this practise is a religious practice. It's been around way before islam, and is a gross cultural practice, that is not condoned but condemned by countless muslim organizations around the world. What jackass and AnneS are trying to do is spread misinformation about islam, the many muslim women in south africa, many who are of malaysian and indian descent have not even heard of this practice.The gross islamophobes out there in any case will continue punting there nonsense. There are plenty of christian women in africa who suffer from this practice. just read about the christian copts in egypt as well as central africa etc.
Amy 12/1/2009 4:22:36 PM
Islamic Shariah, which provides the guiding principles of Islam, aims at preserving the
following:
1. Religion
2. Life
3. Intellect
4. Progeny
5. Wealth.
Anything that affects any of these objectives adversely is prohibited in Islam. FGM/C has a
direct negative impact on all the five objectives of Shariah, for example girls and women
are known to have died after the operation as a result of complications arising from
FGM/C, both immediately and in the long term. Because there is no justification for the
practice, it is considered a direct breach of the objectives of Shariah hence it is un-Islamic
and anybody practicing it is sinning.
Isaac 12/1/2009 4:26:24 PM
FGM/C conflicts with Islamic teachings on the sanctity of the human body and hence is
totally unacceptable. It is also a deeply rooted cultural practice, and many community
members say that they have been practicing it for a long time, so it cannot be stopped. Some
Somalis claim “it is hard for Somalis to stop pharaonic circumcision. It has been there and it
is difficult to stop it. It will continue, it will take a very long time for change to happen…”
and, “We know the religion does not agree with us but people are very strong with the
tradition.61”
This is countered by the Islamic teaching that harm cannot be too old; that is, old practices
cannot be justified if they are harmful. The moment one discovers that they have been
doing wrong, one is supposed to stop, regardless of the age of the practice. The Quran
mentions instances when communities adamantly supported their wrong actions, saying
that they would continue these practices as their forefathers did. Allah (SWT) says, “And
when it is said to them, ’follow what Allah has revealed’ they say rather we will follow that
which we found our fathers doing...” (Quran: 2: 170). Allah (SWT) condemns this
reasoning and in the same verse asks whether the people will follow their
forefathers“…even if your fathers did not comprehend anything and they were not
properly guided?”(Quran: 2: 170).
FGM/C has no religious basis; it is a purely cultural practice that conflicts with Islamic
teachings. It is a fundamental teaching of Islam that where there is conflict between
religion and a cultural practice, Islam takes precedence. FGM/C is in conflict with Islamic
teachings and should therefore be stopped
Christian 12/1/2009 4:34:45 PM
FGM is a cultural practice in communities that observe it, and it is wrong
to associate Islam with such a harmful practice. Islam has clearly stipulated provisions for
the protection of basic human rights and it upholds the sanctity of the human body. Any
practice that violates these rights and causes harm to the human body without any
justification is prohibited.
Mandla 12/1/2009 4:51:15 PM
It is very common in many christian communities in Africa, christian women suffer hugely from this, there should be more awareness by organisations to prohibit this practice.
fuz 12/1/2009 4:54:28 PM
Have any other Muslims noticed the hadeeth used to justify FGM are usually weak/debatable ones, narrated by little-known scholars? No Bukhari, Muslim or Tirmidhi quoted anywhere in sight.

I was raised in a conservative Cape Town Muslim family and FMG is nowhere in my religion or culture.
Naartjies 12/2/2009 8:22:30 AM
This remind me of a book i read.

Infidel - My life : Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
This a biography by Somalina woman, who was forced to do this at the age of 5, maining because her religion believed that she was unpure and that Ala wont protect her.

She and her 3 year old sister, went through this without any after care medication + the was forced marraiges and on the night the husband would force his was through that man-made operation (labia majora is cut and sown tight together) and if he cant penetrate through that skin, he would cut it with a knife and continue having sex with her.

To me this is just plain sick, religion, culture or lifestyle its just plain sick.

Read the book and see what i am talking about.
Naartjies 12/2/2009 8:52:36 AM
Hey Jay, thanx for the information, because according to the research that i have done and biographies i have written by women who went throught this...what u r saying is true.

Anne, my sister, i am with you all the way. These people are opressed by their religious beliefs.

Touching on what Jay said>
I mean why should women suffer just because when men see them they will get turned on, which is why they are forced to wear non-attrative clothing showing only they eyes.

That to me is opression.

Personally i feel that everyone should have freedom to express themselves and wear what ever is appealing to them and no do be forced to do things just because someone said so.

Try reading:

Infidel - my life by Ayaan Hirsi Ali
She talk all about muslim and islamic people, and how opressed they are by their beleafs.
Anne S @ Mandla 12/2/2009 10:47:32 AM
Yes Mandla there are very large Muslim Communities in Christian countries and we have now heard about the oppression of women in Muslim Communities.
Informed 12/2/2009 12:11:51 PM
Anne S I really do feel sorry for you, you are an embarassment to women. You are the reason why men think that woman are not knowledgeable, stop making a fool of yourself and go and educate yourself. Knowledge is power. I am a 21 year old muslim, I have NEVER heard of FGM until I was 16 and read a book about it, In islam we are taught to educate ourself so that we do not become ignorant like people like you. I am not oppressed either, my parents do not force me to wear a scarf or to cover my body and thats the situation with most muslim people I know. So before you comment, make sure of your facts. You must lead such a sad life, trying to hate on other peoples religion, at the end of the day, it is our choice incase you were not aware of that. By the way, how old are you, because I find it hard to believe that an Adult could be that ignorant like you, my 10 year old brother is probably more informed than you.
Anne S @ Informed 12/2/2009 12:54:17 PM
I'm not against Muslims!!! I just feel for the poor oppressed women. Please DON'T distort my comments.
preshen govender 12/3/2009 8:46:24 AM
I think female mutilation is a rip off
nelly 12/8/2009 1:32:44 AM
all CIRCUMCISSIONS ARE BAD , GOD NEVER CREATED U TO CUT, HE WOULD HAVE MADE HUMANS WITHOUT THESE GLANDS THEY ARE CUTTING OFF, PPLE SHOULD GROW UP
Lee 12/10/2009 12:50:38 PM
Anne S should really think before comenting cos its obvious she talks a load of bullshit. i agree with Informed, you are an embarassment to women
Yvonne 12/26/2009 10:28:32 AM
Stop getting on Annes back and namecalling. You cannot compare South African Muslims to the oppressed other MUSLIM COUNTRIES. They do not know what oppression is as they did not GROW UP there. sOUTH aFRICA IS not A MUSLIM STATE this is a majority CHRISTIAN COUNTRY and no MUSLIM LAw for everybody ! IF you people had travelled and lived and worked in totally MUSLIM COUNTRIES like we did, you would Be singing DIFFERENT TUNES!ANNE IS CORRECT IN MANY WAYS! I know, because even we Western Women were subjected to discrimination and also wearing long sleeved,long to ankles ugly old loosfitting garments, covered, in HEAT of 48 degrees and Higher just to go to a shop!We witnessed the extreme OPPRESSION of local women in MANY of these countries PERSONALLY -not in one Country, not for a day but for years! There IS FGM amongst Muslims in many Countries and even MORE o AMONGST AFRICAN MUSLIMS, WHERE IT ORIGINATED is beside the
POINT, WHAT IS FACT IS THAT IT EXISTS STILL!
There are millions of MALE Fanatics unfortuntely in many of these MUSLIM STATES!
That cannot be argued AT ALL. It is FACT!Go read the book writtem by Osama Bin Ladens wife. A wealthy well educated FANATIC ! Go live in these Countries for a while and then yu come back and give your OPINIONS !I am not talking about modern Durbai/Abu Dhabi, we also lived there,no comparison to the other Total Muslim States!Believe me as yu get to know some of these women in hospital/Clinics etc..they tell horrific
stories,very quietly ,too ,as they could be killed for doing so. Go work in Clinics and hospitals and see for yourselves the FGM! that is there. THE PROOF!South Africa Muslim women will not survive there coverred up withut aircon, without fridges etc in excruciating heat daily! Majority do not have Oil Money! They live by TRADITION! HARSH
TRADITION most of the time !!
LILIAN 12/26/2009 10:52:22 AM
MOST South African Muslims descent from the
Asian Region! This is TOTALLY DIFFERENT TO
MUSLIMS FROM THE AFRICAN REGION! There are NO
FANATIC MUSLIMS that I have ever come across in South Africa and I have many Muslim Friends!The do not walk around COVERED in those hideous garments in heat of 48 degrees and higher.They are not oppressed here!and i have many Non Muslim Friends because they were always a minority and had a different culture totally to African Muslims! They were NOT UNDER A TOTALLY MUSLIM GOVERNMENT AND LAW, ALL they really have in common WITH african MUSLIMS, is the KORAN and RelIgion and a totally different perspective
of the interpretation of their religion. They have more in common with the descendants
of the French and Dutch in the Cape than any other AFRICAN MUSLIMS! That is why the WESTERN CAPE has its own kind of atmosphere
than the rest of the Country! This is unfortunately now changing! DIE KAAP IS NIE MEER DIE KAAP NIE!fOR GENERATIONS THERE WERE MOSQUES IN THE CAPE AND You COULD HEAR THE IMAM CALLING- IT MADE The CAPE DIFFENT sort of a special flavour, the KAAPSE language, the food,THE TRADITIONS, THE CULTURE,WAS DIFFERENT FROM THE REST OF SOUTH AFRICA.THERE
WAS NO FGM HERE ! i WOUD NOT BE SUPRISED THUGH IS MANY OF THEE FOREIGNERS ( somalis IN PARTICULAR) ARE NOW WALKING AROUND THAT HVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO FGM! let us make sure that tthese foreigner and the others from Africa now pouring in here, do not bring their HIDEOUS customs here ! There are enough young boys dying already here because of the BUSH circumcisions still being done in a Modern Country like ours! Did I say MODERN, thsat is also now CHANGING FAST!
that they do not also bring
Gerald 12/27/2009 5:16:29 PM
Sorry Shingi,
But you are totally misinformed yourself. Genital mutilation has nothing to do with Christianity. I will know best because I have studied Christianity for more than sixty years.
Noni 12/28/2009 1:28:05 PM
For anyone who does not believe that Muslim women are oppressed, read the book "Not without my daughter". Or watch the movie. It is a true story that shows very clearly what rights women in Muslim countries have (Answer: None.)
Cathy 1/5/2010 7:14:02 PM
@ shawn "And don't you dare tell me, FGM is worse, the hell it is, and really that doesn't matter, still a violation of HIS body." Oh buuhuu ... so you want to tell us that cutting of skin and therefore reducing the pleasure is somehow comparable t cutting OFF all genital parts ? That's like cutting of your penis not just the stupid skin. I agree that it is wrong to do for any gender , but don't compare these two parctices. Females die from it, they suffer a great deal more than men do.

@ Nico and RiffRaff
Even though I#m against compraing these two Mulrilations I have to agree and say it is still inhumane to do so. Partens whodo that to theire child should drop dead.
preshen govender 1/14/2010 4:52:55 PM
@nelly,I also hate circumcision it a rip off by 10%
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