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Swing City

Would you sleep with your friend's ex? Sharing is caring in sex columnist Dorothy Black's world.

I heard a juicy little nib of gossip the other day. One of Cape Town’s darling restaurants, I was told, turns into a swingers club after 12 on some nights*. Being the investigative journalist that I am, I SMS’d Miss America for textual confirmation. If there was a swinger’s party happening in the city she'd know about it. And, hell, I ought to know about it, dammit. I got this back:

LOL. I’ll find out later. But really Dot, you NEED a swinger’s club? This is CT after all.

True. I’m spit sisters with most of my friends, in one way or another. If we’ve not snogged each other, we’ve ended up kissing or sleeping with the same boy at some point. Three degrees of separation takes on a whole new angle in the diversity-challenged Mother City. Without fail, the new person you’re into in Cape Town will have kissed/dated/shagged someone you know, probably your boss or BFF – whichever is more uncomfortable usually.

Which is probably why that silly Man TV programme was filmed here. It’s the only place in the world those ridiculous ratios would actually make any sense: ‘Three Four Gays Guys, One City, Three Million Women. Can They Handle It?’ Can’t wait to see them try. And what happens to the other 2 999 997 women? Glad our Jozi sisters don't have this problem. Anyway, I’ll catch the show online. Like most people with some sort of social life I don’t usually find myself sitting in front of the TV at 9.30 pm on a Friday night watching other people trying to get laid. Nice targeting there SABC.

But I digress.

You see, sharing is caring here in the Mother City. Miss America was right. Cape Town is so small it is its own swinger’s club. Which, while I’m sure many of you won’t agree, has its advantages. Allow me to illustrate.

I met new boy, Mr Hardman, through my good friend Bunny. Well, I knew him way before I actually met him, because he and Bunny were intimate in the biblical sense and, well, girls talk. Before I had the pleasure to meet him in person, I knew what kind of lay he was, how great he was with his tongue and, importantly, that Bunny thought he and I should hook up at some point. She's generous that way.

At that stage I was shagging The Don intermittently. And naturally shared details with Bunny – what kind of lay he was, how great he was with his tongue, and importantly, that Bunny and him would probably make a cool couple and should give it bash at some point. I'm generous that way.

See where this is going?

Two splits and a few months later, Bunny and I effectively switched partners. Maybe not the most romantic of situations, but certainly one of the most convenient. And as Grandpa used to say, one person's crazy is another's catch.

Look, it wasn't all moonshine and farts. There were pretty uncomfortable moments:

(Me and Bunny on her balcony swopping notes after the switch...and after a few glasses of vino...)

Bunny: Soooooo, aaaaannd?
Me: Ooooh, it's sooooo cooool, you weerre soooo right (gush gush gush)
Bunny: See? I told you! I TOLD you!
Me: You did. You're so smart. I love you.
Bunny: I love you toooo!
Me: It was sooo cool, Bunny, he told me I was, like, his perfect match...it was sooo romantic...
Bunny: (pause)
Me: * sigh *
Bunny: (pause)
Me: Bunny?
Bunny: He said the same thing to me.

Awkward.

Anyway. Bygones.

Mr Hardman and I are still seeing each other and it's turning out to be quite a lot of fun. I'd love to tell you who Bunny's moved on to but it's quite likely that someone knows someone who knows who her shag is and that would be unfortunate, so I'd rather not. It is a very, very small world after all.

* 'Eyes and Ears' Miss America is holding out on me on specifics.

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Anne S 1/26/2010 4:28:07 PM
NO I WILL NOT SLEEP AROUND WITH ANYONE. I was happily married BUT now it is over. Dear Readers just do a Google Image Search on this Dorothy Black and all of you will see who she really is. The pictures are shockingly explicit and she is ALSO working in the Adult Entertainment Industry where she seems to be VERY highly in demand... Don’t believe me – do the search for yourself and then you will see.
PRESHEN GOVENDER 1/27/2010 8:55:50 AM
I agree with Dorothy Black ,god said you must share
Niel 1/27/2010 8:57:28 AM
Anne, has it become your life's work to attack people who don't think like you? I would like to know.
Niel 1/27/2010 8:58:31 AM
And all this "Dear Readers" nonsense... they are not YOUR readers, they are HER readers.
bragnie jean 1/27/2010 8:59:17 AM
@ANNE S,sex is like air if you got getting any it dangerous.That why your lover leaved you
Pierre 1/27/2010 9:20:54 AM
No people - turn before you burn. This is not what you were designed for. One man shall have one wife.

Repent NOW
Anne S 1/27/2010 9:30:32 AM
“Dear readers” does NOT imply that they are my readers. You are obviously not a reader that is why you don’t know this. Please go back to your Mills & Boon erotic material.
My “lover” (husband) did NOT leave me he passed away.
Did ANY of you do the search?? I suppose not.
VG 1/27/2010 9:42:22 AM
No, no, no,no, no. Men, toothbrushes, underwear and ice cream were not made for sharing...especially not with friends!

@Anne S..hold on didn't you declare last week that you would never read any of Dot's columns ever again? just can't stay away, can you?
A horse told me... 1/27/2010 9:46:41 AM
Uuugghh......this dorothy black chick sounds gross. I think you'd need a shot or something if you've been with her....talk about village bicycle....
migger 1/27/2010 10:02:50 AM
shagging your mate's ex? that kind of goes against the guy code ms. Black. not that it doesn't enter a blokes mind to enter his neighbour's wife, but we just don't that.

and Anne S, didn't you say that you would never ever read any of Dot's articles again? it would seem that your pants are on fire...
@ Anne S 1/27/2010 10:15:18 AM
Have it ever crossed your mind that "Dorothy Black"is not her real name?
BTW thisDorothy Black you're talking about is supposed to be Hungarian....Does not sound very Hungarian to me....
Beep 1/27/2010 10:22:03 AM
Come on folks, real love (before your partner and the Lord) does not have room for this. (swinging in the general sense).
If you have yet to acknowledge the Lord and his love for you, ask the question, would my parents or my children be proud of this behaviour. (I know the article is not to refering to "swinging" together but sharing partners over time.)
It can happen, but to try make it happen is a bit dodge.
Exploring your sexuality is very cool and so long as no-one is getting hurt it is not for me to judge. But....the time will come with maturity (or faith in my case) when it dawns on us that many sexual partners in your past is nothing to be proud off. I certainly am not!!!
So bonk on people, but you are giving a little bit of something away that you could have given to your one true love. Cute hey!!!
Pebbles 1/27/2010 10:25:52 AM
@ Anne S, dear Anne, It's none of your or my business who Dorothy is or what she does for a living. The rest of us actually don't care. So why don't you stick to your principles and stay away from this column, for all our sakes.

On another note, I'm really glad I don't stay in CT. Joburg has a way wider selection of bachelors...
GeorGe @Anne S @Pebbles 1/27/2010 10:47:41 AM
Anne: Don't try and force your supposed mightier than thow attitude and outlokk on others. Go read comic books instead. Leave this blog to us who would like to share and discover ourselves. Pebbles: Go read your bible and STFU.
Puffing Billy 1/27/2010 10:48:38 AM
Anne S, didn't you say you were going and never coming back? Glad to know you can be taken at your word.....
jules 1/27/2010 10:49:04 AM
@Anne S, I'm sorry but why if you don't like Dorothy's writing then why the hell do you come here and read her articles every time huh? I suppose just to make comment on how "sinful" you think it is right? Sigh you damn Christians. You're not going to convert people or scare them away from these "sinful" things on a public Women24 comment box. That's what church is for.. I'm sorry. PLEASE GET THAT INTO YOUR THICK CHRISTIAN HEAD OF YOURS! Now piss off!
Anne S @ Beep, migger 1/27/2010 10:54:11 AM
Thank you, Beeb!! I completely agree with you!!!!
Promises are made between classy, sophisticated people NOT low lives with infected crotches.
JDean78 1/27/2010 10:54:26 AM
@Anne S did you restrict your search to only SA web? This does not necessarily prove that DBlack is the one and the same, she could just be using the name.
The Point 1/27/2010 11:09:26 AM
Anne S, I only have two words for you "GET LAID"
Sleep less in See Atholl 1/27/2010 11:17:37 AM
Dorothy Black is probably a nom de plume used because it sounds ordinary and like some 1940's homemaker but, when searched, reveals a pornstar. Oximoronism and all that. However, the author does make it sound like all the women in Cape Town have their mouths open more often than Julius Malema. And, as it comes across, when the mouths open, invariably so do the legs. It's just sad really that their seems to be less and less classy females around and more and more MTV background dancers. More ass than class as the case would be. And where the free ass is, the a-holes go. Just a thought.
dotblack 1/27/2010 11:19:44 AM
@ anne s - dude. you're stealing my thunder. go away.
Al 1/27/2010 11:22:48 AM
@ Anne S (pronounciation) Anus
why dont you join the Phelps family from the US. Now google that and learn on how your beliefs and theirs seem to co-incide (BTW they are the most hated family/society/scumbags in the US)They shit in their own front yard and blame others.
Anne S @ JDean78 1/27/2010 11:22:49 AM
Well then it is illegal!! You may NOT use another person’s name to publish under!!??
ProfAndy 1/27/2010 11:23:06 AM
@Anne - How many people in the world have the name "Dorothy Black"? Facebook has 115 people registered with that name. Get a life Anne, the journalist in CT is probably not the 32 year old Californian porn star by the same name. And even if it was, I think you're just jealous because she's getting sooo much more than you!
Michelle 1/27/2010 11:29:43 AM
I have a simple rule - If one of my close friends slept with him first, he's off limits....
blade 1/27/2010 11:30:05 AM
hahaha great read.
I know exactly what you mean about CPT.
Lauren 1/27/2010 11:30:41 AM
@Anne S. Oh my word, lady! Have you never heard of a nom de plume? A pseudonymn? A name which writers use when they wish to stay anonymous. A bit like Anne S really. Of course it's not illegal. For someone who is as educated as you claim to be that is a rather stupid thing to say.
Niel @ Righteous Puritans 1/27/2010 11:33:09 AM
Jesus loved people patiently. You just shit all over their blog posts.
blade 1/27/2010 11:43:05 AM
@annie S
it seems like its only you that cares.
Sousweet 1/27/2010 11:54:38 AM
Ann
You need not look further For the love of my fellow human race Let me give you a good service and you will have something to say! Other than talk shite
You should try the nice things in life
I ll put you in heaven So you dont have to wait to die for the experience!!
JDean78 1/27/2010 11:57:44 AM
But seriously folks, why is it when women talk about sex they are considered all slutty and classless?
fatti 1/27/2010 12:03:28 PM
nice read dot.as always. :)iv been contemplating a move to CPT for a few months,cos i MISS THE BEACH SOOO MUCH,bt hell reading ur article,i almost found myself packing.haha,but i doubt id eva be as lucky as mr hardman, or the Don...so alas,in jhb i shall stay.i wonder if all the ppl who'r all holier than thou in this article got 2gether with a partner who had never ever ever kissed another b4,cos otherwise, they've shared!
@michelle 1/27/2010 12:05:18 PM
used to have that rule, until u meet someone who makes u forget that he's actualyy shagging u're friend.
Signlanguage 1/27/2010 12:07:40 PM
Anne S, the Jerry Springer auditions are through the other door.
JDean78 1/27/2010 12:19:35 PM
@Anne S sweety are you 11 years old?! Dorothy Black is probably NOT that porn stars real name, she's also operating under another name and there is nothing illegal about using a name that is as common as 'Koos van der Merwe' as a pseudonym. Jealousy makes you nasty and apparently naive and clueless as well.
Ms Thompson 1/27/2010 12:28:26 PM
@Anne S: Stop thinking you're the editor of Women24 and that you have this amazing following. You not her nor do u work for the team. So stop trying to be Carrie Bradshaw because no one cares about your advice nor do they care about your life; thats why you have friends and family - to put you on a pedastal. I've read your blog and my friend who is a renowned psychologist took it to her students and they agree - you need help. You really not better than anyone and frankly we don't care. before you give me a lecture on grammar as someone as mundane as you will probably do so, I am a journalist and a writer so i know more about writing that you do. Having a blog doesn't make you a writer nor does it make you an agony aunt. It shows that you hate the world and because no one else want to hear you moan and nag, venting on a blog with the idea that you think you better than everyone else is all you can do. Get a new hobby so you can get a new life. Because what you're doing is forcing your opinion on everything and the last time i checked, there was a bill in the Constitution of South Africa saying that everyone has the right to their opinion without someone as narrow-minded and irritating as you forcing them to want to change it. If all else fails, get counselling to heal your pain.
Piet 1/27/2010 12:34:08 PM
The mere fact that an article like this is on public domain shows just how sick the world is. sex, whether you believe in God or not, is suppose to be between two people you love. Please don't make it cheap
Ayl 1/27/2010 12:36:58 PM
Sorry, @Anne, I googled her and there was nothing untoward. I typed in Dorothy Black Sizzle. Possibly you found another one,. However, I know who she really is and I can assure you she doesn't charge ;-)
Pierre 1/27/2010 12:56:29 PM
@ Piet
Rock-on brother....

jenny 1/27/2010 12:57:09 PM
Why would DB need a swingers club? Seems she would be just a comfortable in Sea Point with fishnet stockings. No difference between Dot and your common or garden Ho.
Clearly, she does not like herself or she would not denegrate herself like this. Must be hard to look in the mirror. Now how about an article on the DISEASES you share?Might as well spill it all cos no self-respecting man is ever going to marry you anyway! Didn't anyone tell you promiscuity is passe?
Izzy 1/27/2010 12:57:18 PM
I think you will all be shocked to know just how big SA swinging community is :)
Fish 1/27/2010 1:05:38 PM
@Piet - The mere fact that you clicked on a column like this shows just how fxxking retarded you are.
Me 1/27/2010 1:07:11 PM
@Anne S. I did the search. And WOW, thanx for the tip off. Wish i could meet her in person, yummy! By the way, get a life.
JDean78 1/27/2010 1:09:27 PM
@jenny actually promiscuity is the new black
Chris 1/27/2010 1:27:46 PM
Miss Black, when did you and your pals go for an HIV test??? We live in a country ravished by the HIV epidemic yet you go around promoting promiscuity? Before anyone starts crying about safe sex, condoms etc etc they don't always work and people don't always use them, even responsible people, ever heard the excuse we were both drunk, didn't have one handy, horny as hell? Come on people where has responsible journalism gone?
Beep 1/27/2010 1:29:38 PM
Back to question on hand. (for religious veiws see my earlier post)
If sex is purely physichal and can be enjoyed without emotion then why not believe that you can share "Shag Buddies". No different to sharing a pizza then. But for people who hold sex up as a demonstration and act of love and passion between two partners who love eachother then sharing is impossible.
And at the end of the day which is more rewarding for you as an individual. As erotic as the idea of multiple partners, orgies etc might be, it does not come close to the sex of two people passionately in love.
If you do not agree I would question your values of what love means to you and the respect you hold for yourself. Fair call???
Franky 4 Fingers 1/27/2010 1:36:14 PM
@ dot black, i may have had a lapse in concentration but did you mention the name of the restaurant in question? do tell
Jaswolf 1/27/2010 1:39:27 PM
I say Share, Make love not war!
IZ 1/27/2010 2:00:41 PM
The moment he is an ex, he is free game!
Superdude 1/27/2010 2:40:57 PM
@dotblack...great comment...had a nice laugh...keep the articles cum...ing
Jay@Anne S 1/27/2010 2:47:49 PM
Stay strong Anne, the scum attacking you have no idea what values like commitment, love, trust, loyalty and responsibility mean nor do they care. The current level of social decay in our world reflects this.

As far as I am concerned (and that is all the matters to me) you are the only voice of reason here.

The rest of you deserve whats coming to you...if this post offends you GOOD!
Lilette 1/27/2010 2:49:04 PM
Go check out www.kiwiklub.com its a SA swinging club, great fun
Piet 1/27/2010 3:00:11 PM
@Fish. you are right, I should probably not read columns like these, but also take note that children of any age has access to these articles. she promotes promiscuity like it’s nothing. What about all the diseases that comes along with this lifestyle?

The message she carries across is clear. How will this influence our children? Is this the lifestyle you want your kids to have?
Petzon 1/27/2010 3:08:54 PM
I have to agree with IZ on this one.
JS 1/27/2010 3:08:54 PM
You know DB, you just hate to have your back against the wall unless it is for a shag. Please post my comment!! @ AnneS: You now Anne, morons will always drag you down to their level and beat you at stupidity.... so, don't go there. Lets do a simple test: Say, we build a wall through SA and ONLY Christians stay on the one side and the NON-Chrsitians on the other side. I wonder on which side all the RAPING, MURDERS, BRUTAL ATTACTS, HI-JACKINGS etc would be(as all South Africans are currently conserned about the safety in our country), without implying that there won't be crime on the Christian side..... just a thought. Decide on which side of that wall YOU want to live!! Regards
Belinda 1/27/2010 3:11:00 PM
@Anne S, why do you kep coming back to this article just to see who is replying to you.Please dear, don't upset yourself like this.Sorry for the loss of your husband but you are clearly frustrated about something.To all the readers out there, my husband and I entertained a close friend and her hubby for a very private swinging session.It was the first for us all and the first time we went across the colour line(they were Indian).It was a long time ago and we were all in our early 20's.I can still remember it as being totally awesome.That is something you must try at least once in your life.
Simon 1/27/2010 3:26:06 PM
@JS
There were borders before the Christians decided to go and take over the whole world. We'd build the wall but you'd just come and break it down and steal all our stuff.

Or have you changed your ways?
CTheB 1/27/2010 3:29:01 PM
@Anne S - no, Dorothy Black is an artist. Oh, no wait, she was an actress born in Johannesburg, died in 1985. Wait a minute. That can't be right. And surely it's impossible for there to be more than one person with that name!

Actually, I've only once had sex with someone a friend of mine had dated, though I've dated two women that friends of mine subsequently dated. I doubt Cape Town is in any way unique when it comes to this.
fattie 1/27/2010 3:42:41 PM
@js: actually,all those raping,murdering,brutal attackers wuld prob. end up on the christian side.not 2 sound funni.used 2 interview criminals for my thesis @ varsity,and one thing(amongst many) that always stuck out to me,was how all of them were such believers in God,and how they were constantly praying.especially the "Reformed" christians.and i remember a dude,in polsmoor,who was in for violent robbery:"God helps those who help themselves,so I helped myself".that made me laff.also find it ironic,how the holier than tho christians,are the very first to display the very traits the "bible" preaches against.hmmm..
Pebbles 1/27/2010 3:44:29 PM
@GeorGe Dude, chill. I see we share interests. I also like to settle down in the evenings with a nice fiction novel. You read your Bible, I'll read my Eddings. But this is not a Literature forum. (yes that is sarcasm and irony)
JS 1/27/2010 3:47:18 PM
@ Simon: Yes Simon: Just like I said: morons will always drag you down to their level and beat you at stupidity. You still did not choose which side you want to live, but it must be very difficult to be honest to yourself if these are the standards you want to live by. Have fun and aids and all the other creepy crawlies that goes with your lifestyle.
@ All 1/27/2010 3:49:12 PM
I went and searched fro Anne S indtead. She has a blog on 24.com somewhere. She is a grumpy old bat that complains about EVERYTHING!!! But don't go search for the blog, you'll just feed her hate-frenzy with more hits.
preshen govender 1/27/2010 3:55:36 PM
Anne S is like gonarea,just when you think she is gone ,she comes back bites you in the ball again and again
preshen govender 1/27/2010 3:57:46 PM
Anne S should spend more time shagging then commenting ,then she will be a happy person
martha focker 1/27/2010 4:04:03 PM
the closest thing anne S gets to sex is being poke on facebook
JS 1/27/2010 4:08:30 PM
@ fattie: You see fattie, when we believe everything people tell us, we are naive. You cannot commit such crimes if you are a Christian, because THAT is what Christianity is based on - LOVE. We do not go out and kill people brutally for R50 and a cellphone etc(i.e a 70 old Dr with a stone and slit his throut and stabbing him). I can claim anything by mouth, but can I live it?? It is up to you what you WANT to believe, isnt it ? Maybe you should redo that thesis...
CrayzeeeEyes 1/27/2010 4:45:57 PM
@JS Doesn't the bible also say "Judge not, lest ye be judged?" Shut your pie-hole. If you are such a moral and upright "Christian", then why are you lurking on Women24,r eading the Sex posts? Perv much? This is what regular people have issues with when it comes to "Christianity". The people shoving their "moral" and "right" and "perfect" OPINIONS in our faces also happen to be raving loonies who are hypocrites. All we can do is pity you and your small mindedness. So you know which side of the wall I'll be on - the one where people don't judge, and try and actually accept each other, instead of on your side, where there will be war within a week, and all because people will be tyring to prove that they are better "Christians" than the Joe Shmoe next to them. Enjoy your side of the wall!
fatti 1/27/2010 5:02:44 PM
@JS haha.believe everything ppl tell us? erm,lessee like the whole "bible" thing?ha!&get it str8:my thesis wasnt on religion in prisons,i jst found it disturbingly wierd and funny that every single one that i interviewed constantly talked about God in their life etc. be it having "found" him in prison,or before.my thesis had zero to do with religion.And frankly,Christians are amongst the last culture that can judge for rape,murder,pillaging,discrimination and general brutality against other humans.i grew up with a minister for a father& was sent to a deeply christian boarding school&grew up believing in the bible etc.then i actually started asking questions.and a result,in my research i can probably count on one hand the number of christians who in fact do practice a proper life of "love".the rest, as iv come 2 learn are a bit more like urself:talk about the love of christianity,in a condescending, judgemental,discriminatory tone against others-conveniently ignoring the very characteristics u claim to uphold-iv known more empathy,tolerance&love from atheists in my life,than christians.or rather to be fair,than ANY person subscribing to a religion.i get to read these awesome articles from Dot&whether i enjoy them or not i dnt feel a need to put her down,whilst u read them and unashamedly judge her-so i ask,who between the two of us,demonstrates more of a culture of "love" as u put it?
Michel 1/27/2010 5:20:16 PM
Thanks Lilette, checked it out ,registered and think we going to be happy there.
Nancy 1/27/2010 5:27:38 PM
@Author how's you chocolate man>
camelthief 1/27/2010 5:54:49 PM
because of the voyeur Anne S, most of the posts are off topic. Please can we ignore the sick woman.
Bonking a friend's ex is not really swinging is it? I think swinging is a fascinating phenomenon from all sorts of angles: morally (not from a religious point of view) where does it sit? How does it improve or worsen one's 'usual' relationship? how is the sex, how does one feel afterwards, next time you see each other socially? where are lines drawn? is it best with couples you know or at a club with strangers...anyone got some experiences? Anyone know the name of a film about this in which a bunch of really good friends decided to try it and things all went wrong? It was a great film
@DB 1/28/2010 7:26:59 AM
"Three degrees of separation takes on a whole new angle in the diversity-challenged Mother City. Without fail, the new person you’re into in Cape Town will have kissed/dated/shagged someone you know, probably your boss or BFF – whichever is more uncomfortable usually." Don't generalise DB - not everyone in CT is as promiscuous as you and you spit sisters.
think about this... 1/28/2010 7:40:34 AM
It think Anne S is actually Dorothy Black. Dorothy writes something outrageous (and mostly a load of bull)and Anne S is one of the first, if not the first 'reader' to comment and chastise her. What follows... tons of commments aimed at Anne S in support of DB. Hmmm... DB's playing bad cop on her own @ss.
A horse told me... 1/28/2010 8:21:02 AM
@fattie : What did you do that thesis on? THe obvious? I shudder for whatever profession you are in as you, my dear, are daft. In prison, as in war, people will seek coping mechanisms and religion is always number 1. So they may claim to be Christian at the point of interview, but it is nothing more than a crutch in a hostile environment. Wow. What a silly comment you made. You betray your intelect.I agree with JS, redo the thesis....
Anne S @ Ms Thompson 1/28/2010 8:41:31 AM
I’ll gladly hand you “my following” then people can swear and behave rudely towards you!! Please TAKE them ALL. Thank you for the expert psychological advice – probably coming from a person that have changed majors 3 times and eventually managed to pass PSY 101 with 50% and then decided he’ll become a psychologist because he loves the GREY areas (read non-scientific & illogical) in life. Having the title of Journalist doesn’t necessarily make you a GOOD one. DIE SON has a lot of them – so please join their team if you are not already part of it. Then you may write about “die prossies of Bloem” or “hier kom die bruid met die groot koek aan”. Schlappschwanz!
Me 1/28/2010 9:57:42 AM
@anne s, lady, just get a damn life! Not everybody is as boring as you! You are quite good at insults when you feel like it yet you want to preach to people how to behave and what is morally correct. Well, news flash toots, we don't care about you and whatever rocks your lame hole filled boat.
Zee 1/28/2010 10:05:13 AM
Hi Anne S, i'm not taking side but the D.Black u talking about is a chick overseas, when u use google, search in SA. That explict pics wont come up. take it easy~ Zee
Virgo 1/28/2010 10:49:29 AM
Check out www.clubrome.co.za. The biggest private swinging / alternative lifestyle club in the southern hemisphere!! Fun, fun, fun!!!
migger @ Virgo 1/28/2010 11:26:26 AM
checked out the site, seems very nice, basically, treats adults like adults and asks that everyone respect one another... actually is kind of similar to the *** just with more friendly stuff to do rather than only the dungeonanyway, thanks for the site, and who knows, perhaps i'll try attending one of their parties, if only to see what it's all about
That guy... 1/28/2010 11:55:18 AM
Ditto @ CrayzeeeEyes...couldn't have said it better. Really people should get off their high horses, trying to push their morality obligations on others, when they themselves are sinners. This is an article on swingers, not christianity or any other religion or morals. Not shares the same beliefs, so keep them to yourselves!! If you weren't curious, which is a sin on it's own, then you wouldn't even be commenting on this page. So, with that being said, the type of comments that we should be seeing are from people like camelthief etc, which actually ask the right type of questions and empower to those who want to know...btw, Dorothy Black is not the white porn*, she's black, check the google SA search on images...DB, do tell more, or please answer camelthief's questions...
Wayne 1/28/2010 1:27:56 PM
@Piet - you say "sex, whether you believe in God or not, is suppose to be between two people you love"; so that means myself and two girls I love. I agree. 3sum Nice!
Johan 1/28/2010 3:42:22 PM
Even if I put aside any religious believes, i still would never do anything like this. I believe that with sex comes love, and you share something with that person. Sex is the ultimate expression of love, and such a love should only come once a lifetime, not everytime you meet someone new.

I don’t want to share a girl with a friend, even if he only kissed her. I’ll always feel that she might still feel something for him. I can only imagine how much more that feeling would be if they slept together.

What if your friend still has feelings for the person?
leon 2/1/2010 11:36:34 AM
Leave people their fun.. if they are not married let them be.. where can I sign up to be a dual shagg??
Anne S @ leon 2/1/2010 12:34:31 PM
At your nearest AIDS Terminal Clinic. They’ll supply you with the necessary viruses.
bytjies 2/1/2010 3:39:52 PM
i am dating my friends x husband. met him after they have been divorced for 6 years. knew her for about a year then. only realised that was het x when i told her about the great guy i met. and guess what, he is great, and she is happy for both of us. and its not swinging if he is an x. swinging means switching sex partners for the evening. thats gross
E-Lore 2/3/2010 4:16:30 PM
uhhmm..whats this all about? Live and let live, where is the problem? Wether I like digging a hole in the ground to fuck and love my plant in a totally platonic way or decide on a more conventional basis how my relationships are supposed to work out, what is it to you? Why not accept behaviour that does not hurt anybody but MAYBE the one acting himself and chastise people that do things that others dont like?
Personally I find the hole thing probably quite painful so I would not conduct that way but who am I to decide for someone thats not harming anybody?

And who is so blunt to actually devide the world in christians and non-christians and throw verbal stones on the other side? Northern Ireland anyone?
So if the lot of you are so non-violent and law/religion abiding why behaving like cavemen that mark the cavemen in the next cave as the source of all evil and themselves as the better cavemen? I'd rather be sourrounded by a big juicy swingerparty with people that respect the will of others than in a church with people that want to tell others what and how they have to live.
Mind you there are christians I know that "swing" another way..catholic..very active in church life, very soical people. Guess there are lots and lots of people that are not to be found on either side of your wall...

Where now is the problem with just letting others do as they please and get on with your own life? I mean...there probably are morons that go to christian forums to spam their believes which nobody there wants to hear/read..why? Is it so hard to live your life as a tolerant person? Being nice to each other?
spicer 3/1/2010 3:41:58 PM
Free game and ex-territory is a very subjective topic so nothing hard and fast exists in this comment. I am homosexual male, as cock-driven as they come. I fell in love and I ached... and I cried when I fell - not out of sadness or powerlessness or intimidation but out of a sense of having found levels of affiliation and fulfillment in the relationship that I hadn't known before. I'll fast forward to the part where he left me, pieces of me scattered all over the place and I've finally managed to scoop the pieces together and form a picture that vaguely resembles who I was before. I completely believed my life was moving along and I was over it but at the hint of a friend of mine getting with him I was sucked back into the sick headspace of the heartbroken. It happened so fast I am still baffled by the ink 'may you f*cking die' scribbled into the door of the cubicle I locked myself in on the day I found out. And this was not the bathroom of a high school somewhere - it was the bathroom of a super conservative life insurance company where I work. I spent an entire day at the office shaking from adrenaline and disbelief. I then learnt I was not as casual about the ex thing as I'd always suspected. At the same time, I had a stint with someone, a relationship that was fleeting - that involved a lot of laughter and resonance and oral sex in the back of his car. And it didn't bother me AT ALL when a buddy of mine dove in there shortly after our relationship ended. Despite some genuine efforts I just never laid the kind of emotional connection with him so I don't feel like I wanted/earned/deserved the right over him and his life post us. Nor did I expect a friend to write-off their potentials out of respect for what we had. It wasn't worth standing in the way of another potential... BUT I'VE LEARNT THAT SOME LOVES ARE. And when you witness those collosally dangerous things let your friends know so that this never becomes a debate or the birth ground of a single teardrop. Otherwise I say swing along, play safe and guard your heart just enough to keep seeing that in the end it really is all worth it.
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