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The waiting game

Is withholding sex from someone to keep them interested worthwhile? Dorothy Black is doubtful.

A long, long time ago, in a far away place, sex and dating was simple. There was an order to things. Boy would meet girl and they’d like each other. Boy would ask girl out.

If all went well they were automatically deemed exclusive. On the second date they would hold hands, on the third they'd kiss, and only by the tenth date they would sleep together. By the twentieth they'd be engaged.

The end.

Here and now in the city, however, things are a little different. Boy and girl might kiss on the first date, sleep together on the second, hold hands by the eighth and will maybe consider being exclusive only after the twentieth successful full day spent together. They probably won't come anywhere close to talking about marriage.

My grandmother tells me this commitment-phobic behaviour is the result of loose morals and sex before marriage.

It's a quaint idea. Right up there with doilies and pocket watches. But as much as it puts a whimsical smile on my face, my most recent relationship had me questioning whether there might not be some nugget of truth to the matter.

I met The Scientist through Lady Lou. It was like at first sight. He called, we went out, it was lovely. But three weeks later, it all came to an unceremonious and utterly unpleasant sms termination of all communication.

You see, it turns out we had very different ideas as to how to play nice with each other. And although the sudden demise of our short affair seemed like a logical conclusion, I couldn't help wondering if it would have lasted longer if I'd held out on putting out.

A case in point: A thirty-something guy I know, let's call him Bob, is dating a 27-year-old chaste girl.

In the five months that they've been together, he's barely made it to second base. He spends time with the folks (she still lives with her parents), is polite, considerate and understanding of her needs as a woman. She wants to get to know him better, you see, before she takes the big leap to a physical relationship.

It's a completely dysfunctional relationship in my opinion, but the fact remains that while she's holding out, Bob's holding on.

It made me wonder.

If I'd not slept with The Scientist on the second date would we still be trying to figure out the rules of engagement? Would we have come to understand each other's game plan better and made something more than a few shags of it?

Has the dating game become the waiting game again?

Try as I might I just can't buy into that. While some people like to believe that sex is the final frontier of a personal journey to intimacy, I like to think that its much like talking – a form of communication that's natural, necessary and non-negotiable on the road to a real understanding of the person we're involved with.

Although it might make us emotionally vulnerable, sex is only one aspect of what makes partners out of play things.

It shouldn't have to be the pay-off for taking the time to get to know someone better.

Despite any musings about morals and waiting after my short and bittersweet liaison with The Scientist, it's unlikely that I'll be changing my sex strategy any time soon.

I figure if you have to withhold sex from someone to keep them interested they're probably not worth the effort in the long run anyway.

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Rob 2/3/2009 3:32:22 PM
Unlike Dorothy, I regret having lost my moral compass.
MS 2/3/2009 3:34:44 PM
I think the waiting game works. You have give the guy a challenge otherwise he will just sleep with you and discard you in a few days time. People don't have meaningful relationships anymore, it is all about sex.
Ellie 2/3/2009 3:39:54 PM
I agree that holding out is worthwhile. Not for any moral reasons, but purely that the feeling of being in love is actually just pent-up sexual desire. If this desire is satisfied too easily and quickly, the two can fall out of love just as quickly. Keeping the sexual tension, keeps the in-love feeling going longer.
Anon 2/3/2009 3:51:22 PM
I am engaged and have slept with my fiance, before we got engaged, we have both decided together that we are going to now wait until we are married before we "do it" again. This is how God intended couples to couples to be. I truly do love the lady i am with and would not even consider leaving her, if I was getting or not. Not is not just sexual tension love comes from the heart and soul.
Bob 2/3/2009 3:51:41 PM
Waiting works. No better way to get me to lose interest than giving it up on the first date. No guy wants to date an easy chick, they just wanna love en and leave em.
Will 2/3/2009 4:11:01 PM
Relationships are NOT about sex. If you think it is you are moving around in the wrong circles. Sex comes (gloriously) after a life long commitment. Nothing less
joe 2/3/2009 4:15:31 PM
If you want a reality check..here it is . Most guys will do or say anything to get a leg over..thats the initial attraction...the possibility of sex. It takes time to fall in love and if you give in soon there is not time to fall in love - you are in lust. One other thing to consider is that if you spread on the 2nd date - it kinda means that you probably cant count your sexual partners on your one hand , or both hands and your feet ...in a guys mind that is. Guys don't like that at all..being number 17 in the queue is just not on. PS never admit to more than 5 sexual partners - tip for the gals..even if you lie. If the guy likes you and you like him..hang in there a bit..there are other things you can do a bit earlier to still keep him hot for you. If a guy ditches you after 2 weeks because you wont put out..you haven't lost anything anyway.
Danger Boy 2/3/2009 4:16:36 PM
I couldn't agree with you more, withholding sex is the first step in the slippery slope downhill, and what good is a moral compass when you hit the bottom? Always enjoy your articles Dorothy.
minaiza 2/3/2009 4:26:54 PM
I dated a girl for a month without sex and got dumped, it seems like women are ahead these days, they no longer wanna apply the waiting game, as a guy it suits me fine to bed you on the first night and leave you the morning after,
Francois 2/3/2009 4:40:03 PM
dorothy sound slutty to me. its women like her that makes guys treat women as sex objects and with very little respect
Alli 2/3/2009 5:11:48 PM
I've been having the same conversation with myself. I agree with Dorothy, although I am considering waiting next time, just to test this thing out.
Nitro 2/3/2009 5:16:51 PM
I think its high time we all distinguish between love & sex...I challenge anyone on this forum who could without flinching claim they are in love with a partner who's bad in bed. I don't care if you make me wait two years, if you suck (no pun intended) in bed I'll still leave you. If you think you might be falling for the guy and he seems to meet your requirement, then damn it tell him, tell him he's messing with your emotions and if he impresses you any further you might fall in love with him. A mature(and yes not many exist) guy will tell you what his intentions are, be in sex or a commitment. If he tells you its sex, move away. If he makes you tingle in the nether regions, then damn it take a bite. Only you know what you want. What I hate is a woman inhibited by all these religious and moral connotations when it comes to sex. People tend to forget, men don't choose women, women choose men, what men do at best is advertise/market themselves as the best candidates. You put out to the Scientist because he did it for you sexually, nothing wrong with that, perhaps you didn't do it for him relationship wise. If you had waited, you'd only have known after 6 months that you don't do it for him...and perhaps put you heart at risk of getting hurt...wheeeew!
Angelo 2/3/2009 5:24:50 PM
I don't agree with the waiting game. With my first love we slept together on the second date and stayed together for 1 year 6 months. If a girl comes with that religious crap of not sleeping together, i dump her. Love is not about sex. Sex only enhances the relationship. And makes you feel like one. A girl is only slutty if she sleeps with every guy. But sleeping with a guy after a week of dating is fine. This is not 1920's. Go Dorothy. I agree with you. Angelo
T2 2/3/2009 5:47:35 PM
Waiting or not its irrelevant in the real love. Nything can happen. 1. She kept me at bay for 3 solid years, when we finally did it it was a flop. I still loved her but I knew the sex dept will always be a disaster. We broke up on other issues. 2. I spoiled my NEW Beau, and she dumped me after 1 month before sex. So, no textbook guide. These days, I am the one who holds girls at bay, they always seem very confused though. My new rule - ladies must like me first before sex.
chops 2/3/2009 5:56:06 PM
Dorothy, who cares? You place no value on a relationship or sex so how can you get anything meaningful out of it? Unfortunately so many people these days reason like you. And then you wonder where it all went wrong. Shame. Your grandmother knows what she's talking about. Just maybe the older folk knows a bit more than the enlightened youth of today. Hey? Just maybe.
warbaby 2/3/2009 6:09:07 PM
There are no hard & fast rules about love & sex and even if there are all rules have exceptions. My girlfriend & I slept together on the first date although it was a month later and the sex was terrible. We didn't break up, the chemistry between us is as it was then phenominal and we've been together for two years and counting.
Life 2/3/2009 6:38:25 PM
My biggest fear is getting to know and like and maybe love someone and only theeeen....finding out the horror that you're sexually incompatible. Then what you got? You're stuck with the emotions and none of the nookie
Frank 2/3/2009 9:35:19 PM
Married for 27 years, have had sex with only one woman - my wife, and that only after we got married. Dull? For you maybe yes. Successful? You bet. Pity girls are being ridiculed for not being cheap nowadays.....
T 2/3/2009 10:48:00 PM
I think SA guys tend to be old fashioned in this respect, hence they prefer you to hold back a bit. I've come across 2 guys who were man enough to do the holding back themselves - makes a change from them leaving the pressure or that decision on us ladies, which I find unfair. It depends on your perspective as to how you handle it. It usually depends on the couple as to that choice, we are not all the same. I think the guys need to step up and do the holding back - it's very sexy indeed! Come on guys - I dare ya.
Sibu 2/3/2009 10:57:14 PM
It's true,waiting is the best way of keeping your man interested in you. You become like a unopened present before Christmas.You rejoice after it is officially presented to you on Christmas day.
Chris 2/4/2009 4:53:27 AM
Well said Joe. Every man wants to know what he has in a women, faithfull, caring and love. I have learnt the difference between love and sex. So you see Dorothy, every one will want to spread you but no one will ever want you. Who wants well worn goods? NOT ME. I will never respect your point of view.
Andre 2/4/2009 6:17:45 AM
There is a saying in dutch I think, if u get the milk free why buy the cow. In other words u are likely to catch someone just having a quickie and that never planned to commit in any case. For the record, and this is only by the grace of God that I can say this. I am a man, I only married at 28 and I have only ever had one partner my wife, with who I had sex the first time on the 05/04/98 the day after we got married! We are still happily married, have three kids.
Robert 2/4/2009 7:17:34 AM
Waiting is good. I've been married for almost 11 years. God intended it that way - and believe it or not - He knows what He's doing. Intercourse is better with trust built up on other levels first. Having sex first up is like trusting someone without even knowing them first. It;s not a waiting game but a courtship.
Jka 2/4/2009 8:16:22 AM
Maybe the 2nd date is a bit toooooo soon, while 5 months is a bit toooo long? On the 2nd date you hardly even know each other, let alone really like & respect each other. Whereas by 5 moths, I agree, it would be dysfunctional not to be sleeping together. A relationship is built on liking/friendship, passion/attraction (i.e sex people!!) and commitment -- lose any one of those and its dysfunctional. It may well take a little longer than 2 dates to get there though!!
Juan 2/4/2009 8:20:31 AM
Agree with Francois...if a girl makes it so easy to sleep with her, how easy would it be for her to sleep with other guys? I find that women "use" men to sleep with them...which i have experienced alot lately...as soon as i see her intentions, i diss her. No use in making any enemies...
Joe 2/4/2009 8:29:10 AM
For men there are 2 types of women. 1. the ones you fool around with and 2. the ones you marry. If she's in your bed on the second date, shes not marriage material
Sevendust 2/4/2009 8:58:35 AM
... geez you guys are liars (or feminine). I'm not going to hang around like a moron waiting to get a leg over, I want to get it out of the way to see if there's compatibility. If the sex is horrible there isn't a way in hell I'm sticking around...
Anon 2/4/2009 9:02:57 AM
Here it is from my male perspective. I met my current girlfriend, and we dated. It was near on 4 months before we did the deed, and by that time i had gotten to know her, and fell in love with her. It wasn't a case of just getting into her pants. The wait of those 4 months wasn't hard, and our relationship was based on something solid and meaningful. And that was back in 2007.
P 2/4/2009 9:09:08 AM
What is this world coming to? Withholding sex, Not-withholding? Call me old fashioned but sex is an act of love, intimacy and closeness. We think far too much about something so simple. We want sex to fit in our mad worlds, our rushed existence hence we date, have sex, break up and then wonder what we did, should, should not do??? WTF???? I slept with my wife before we got engaged, but also only after we knew we loved one another. So please this type of articles only show that we as humans keep on overcomplicating all things in life.
Kennett Sinclair 2/4/2009 9:26:53 AM
the person who wrote this doesn't have a clue............he/she obviously has never heard of morals....no wonder the society is in the state that it is...there's more to life than pomping.
Andile 2/4/2009 9:33:29 AM
Dolls it depands how u conduct yoself and what do u want in life.Dolls u have to respect yoselves b4 guyz will respect u.But todayz dolls they dont care.Same day same service.Even a car u book for it for a service.I dont know how 2 describe them.I call them carrier women.2 THOSE WHO DONT DO THAT THUBS UP DOLLS KEEP IT UP
Maarten 2/4/2009 9:51:59 AM
Francois you are wrong my friend - men no longer treat woman as sex objexts - women are now treating men like sex objects. It's funny how we think we know everything because we refuse to listen to the wisdom of the past. History has shown that where woman become sluts all things end up falling to pieces - they are the ancor we build our civilization on.
the original Joe 2/4/2009 9:54:05 AM
How do you have bad sex ? Technique can be learned...the only insurmountable(so to speak) problem can be a gross size mismatch Prem ejac , ED etc can all be overcome. Practice , practice and talk about your wants , and all will come right The best feeling in the world is making love with the woman you love..you can have the most experienced one night stand and it never comes close. (sorry about the puns)
LS 2/4/2009 10:11:26 AM
Dorothy mentions the word 'morals' a few times. I wonder what exactly she means by that? What exactly are 'morals' today? Do they exist anymore?
Dion 2/4/2009 10:19:17 AM
I respect the idea of people waiting for marriage to have sex. If both are virgins or near virgins on the wedding night its a little like the blind leading the lame. Sex is a communication. Not just the act, but talking about it as well. You wait to get married so that you know the person well enough to be sure, yet wait for the wedding night for sex! Seems like a possible disaster waiting to happen.
vonQ 2/4/2009 10:46:56 AM
Girls just wanna fornicate as much as us guys. Would i pay for for her, waste my time with her and she only wants to hold hands. This is not Generations. this is Life.
Don 2/4/2009 10:59:01 AM
I say do it as soon as possible to get the sexual tension out the way and then enjoy each other's company without dude feeling like he is losing a lot of money going and paying on countless useless dates!
RM 2/4/2009 11:10:56 AM
It's not about rewarding someone that is the reason for waiting. It is the teaching of morals to future children. Showing one's child and wife/husband that you love them so much that you waited to experience one of the intimate aspects of life with that special one. I am a 27 years old guy indian guy and I live by this. And no, It is not because I can not get get any as I've had many offers and a few close encounters. It would great where two people can love each other only and share all that there is to share in this world.
Zulu 2/4/2009 11:10:58 AM
Oh for crying out loud. If she makes you wait for it and gives you all the religious kak, you are in for a suprise a few years down the when you are married. Unless her dad is a mega millionaire... then it is cool to wait!!! But then it is a good idea to get her knocked up ASAP. She will milk you of your money and after dating for a while you don't even have a fuck to show for it. Relationships are an animal attraction, forget the rest, you will kick your self if you wait all the years and then you get married and then find out she don't want to do it.
Zulu 2/4/2009 11:33:08 AM
Dion, what on earth is a "near virgin". Puleeez man get with it, virginity is a mental as well as physical thing, are you still a virgin if you have only given guys blow jobs... or hand jobs... wake up and put your glasses on, you are missing a good game!!
PT 2/4/2009 12:01:01 PM
couldnt agree with the writer more. if a guy is gonna leave u, he will wether you put out or not. if no-one forced another then do it. rules hv changed
J 2/4/2009 12:16:06 PM
If a guy is waiting simply to get into your pants, he's not someone to go exclusive with period. As a guy, our hormones are probably our greatest enemies while dating, but I believe that we should take responsibility for it and control it dammit! Girls, please don't be afraid to talk about sex with guys, even if on the first or second date. clear the air and make intentions known. Make sure you're on the same page before you make any plans in the back of your mind. Don't waste any time!!
SM 2/4/2009 12:59:56 PM
Is dorothy available for a date soetime?
Hannes 2/4/2009 1:01:52 PM
bloody hell but your'e cheap.
Mike 2/4/2009 1:10:43 PM
No text book guide, I agree. I've got friends who have done it on a first date and proposed a month later.It doesn't mean when a woman slept with you the first time, she's done it to every man she met
zulu 2/4/2009 1:14:52 PM
Hi, I can agree, Dorothy, how about a coffee or something, not a date or anything, just a chat etc...
QS 2/4/2009 1:50:42 PM
I have had many relationships and I've slept with every one of my boyfriends. None of these relationships have ever led to a proposal. Why, I wonder? Why would someone by the cow if they can get the milk for free, as my dad always say. I'm now 39, very attractive, very pleasant but very unmarried.
Ruby J 2/4/2009 1:52:46 PM
Dorothy...there are words for girls like you - even the Bible talks about you...if you read the Bible, of course, you would've known what I'am talking about...you can get a clue in Ezekiel 23:44...
Lily 2/4/2009 1:56:18 PM
Oh f*ck off Ruby J. You sanctimonious idiot. What does that bible of yours say about he who casts the first stone? Your holiness should practice what you preach.
Hennie 2/4/2009 2:56:25 PM
There are so many truths in the Bible. Yes, we will be ridiculed. Sometimes even by our fellow Christians Rev 3:16 (Interesting that it is also another 3:16, just like John 3:16) "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth." I would much rather be RED HOT in favour of God, than red hot from lust on a first date. Joh 2:1 "And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:" The first miracle Jesus had performed, turning water into wine. Coincidence that His 1st miracle was at a wedding? God leaves nothing to cioncidence.
dorothy black 2/4/2009 3:08:42 PM
@ hennie - this is a sex column my plum. sounds like you got lost on the site somewhere
Hennie 2/4/2009 3:22:28 PM
I'm not lost, believe me. I know exactly where I am going, and I am VERY happy with my destination. Ever wondered why our wonderful country is in the state it is. Do your self a favour and read 2Chronicles 7:14 "If my people, which are called, by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land".
Zulu 2/4/2009 3:40:21 PM
Hennie, Hennie, Hennie.... tell us the truth, you lust after a blow job hey, and the virgin you married don't suck the lillipop, hey. Normally it is closet types attitudes like yours that get caught up in exciting new relationships where the woman would actually wear a G-string and may walk around with no bra on that makes you realise what it is you have been missing your hole(Pun intended) virgin life, one who would do sexy stuff that your dominee may frown on, heaven forbid a bit af anal action.
Jones 2/4/2009 3:49:26 PM
Marriage is not the end of the relationship, in case you misunderstood the idea behind waiting until then before having sex. It may seem outdated, but so is not having AIDS... Glad my partner's not "used goods" or bringing more than I bargained into our family.
Hennie 2/4/2009 3:50:22 PM
@Zulu, is that what God intended? Is that right in the eyes of God? Why do we want to put God a folder called "Religion" and eliminate him from the rest of our lives and actions? God is a package deal. He is either part of our entire lives or not at all. Everything we do, everyhting we say, everything we type, we should honour God - in all aspects of our lives. Rest asurred there is nothing wrong with the relationship I have with my wife nor with the one have with God.
Liesl 2/4/2009 3:54:42 PM
Ag Hennie, hou tog nou op preek, toe. Baie mense glo anders as jy. Dit maak jou nie beter as hulle nie.
Hennie 2/4/2009 3:57:25 PM
Ek het vir geen oomblik gesê dat ek beter is as ander nie. Ek het ook foute, maar ek werk daaraan en doen moeite om nader aan God te leef.
Kele 2/4/2009 4:16:49 PM
As someone who has read the Bible - I mean the WHOLE Bible from Genesis to Revelations in three months, it makes me so angry to see self-righteous Christians taking passages out of context. God created us all - and He loves us all. And He knows what we all do. He sees and knows and weaved us... and He knows where we each are on our journey. And with the history of Catholic popes raping 12-year-old boys, you should know that character/morality has nothing to do with religion. So, how about we get off Dorothy's case and leave the judgement up to God. @Hennie and Ruby J, take your butts to Bible School. Believe me, it's worth it.
maoetsi 2/5/2009 3:35:06 PM
i do not think waiting or withholding sex in a relationship matters. whether you sleep with a guy after one date or ten dates is not going to stop him from leaving. its even worse if you holdout for ten dates, then give in and have him disappear coz by then you personally might be thinking you have something worthwhile while he does not. whether you give in or wait should not be about trying to keep a guy but should be about what you as a lady want and are willing to do. the minute you use sex to achieve a means, such as making a man stay, you are heading for trouble. there is no way you can make a person love you, if they stay for the sex, then it's only a matter of time before they hit the road in search of something they want. sadly for us women sex is more emotional that physical but it does not mean you can not have sex without strings......when you want and that is the secret. to do it only coz you really want to and not to please or to try to keep a man
T 2/6/2009 7:10:12 PM
Good grief, people, honestly! It's what the couple deems acceptable, whether on the 1st date or the 20th date - come now. Guys need to step up and be men and NOT judge a girl. For crying out loud HE'S sleeping with her too - double freakin standards!!! Stop irritating the ladies and take control of the relationship. If u want to get know her better, then you do the holding out! Simple - don't leave that decision up to the girl alone. Pisses me off NO end!
Lovebird 2/8/2009 9:29:26 AM
I slept with my ex boyfriend on our first date. We went out for more than 2 years, then we split, because 'i loved him too much". Any way, he still wants sex with me when he is drunk, after more than a year after we split...Was it only lust? I rest my case..
kazoot 2/12/2009 11:25:52 AM
Joe, are you by any chance trapped in the 1950's? What kind of girl in her right mind would want a shallow chauvinist like that as a boyfriend in the first place? You give yourself away with your "tips for gals" EEEP and then all that stress you put on the GIRL who shouldn't do/tell about the more than 5 gives me the shivers. Perfectly ok for the guy to have a lot of experience, right? You sound like a real creepy character....I would like to advise all "gals" to stay away from guys with so many hard and fast rules for how they should be, before they've even bothered to find out who you are and what you're about.
Lee 2/12/2009 2:23:02 PM
I think we should not confuse sex for love. I believe that women like to generally have sex when they are in love. I also know that it is usually a big thing for a women to have sex, both after holding up or not.
missy 2/12/2009 5:27:52 PM
As a liberated, sexually active woman, I do not fear NOT catching a man. If, by withholding sex, you feel your chances of keeping him increase, go right ahead. Not all sex is about being in a relationship, some girls just wanna have fun.
Charamine Van Heerden 2/18/2009 1:56:28 PM
I think this is a good idea. I'm going out with a guy about a month now but we did not go that far yet. I think it will be worth it.
extreme 7/26/2009 9:44:18 AM
ellie if you think that love is just pent-up sexuall desire , i would suggest you go see a psychologist , its everything except that.
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