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Defending The Other Woman

Dorothy Black is taken aback by wives and girlfriends who point a guilty finger at the mistress. And the mistress only.

The other night, over sushi, Lady Lou dropped a little bombshell between the ginger and the nigiri...

'I saw him again.'

I almost choked on my saki.

You see, 'him' is Frankenfuck, my pet name for the married man she had eventually decided to stop seeing after two years of a discreet affair. But he was back. Manstrosities never know when to quit while they're ahead.

Their relationship started innocently enough – she met him at work and they had a great connection. He was 'kind of' married but he and his wife were having problems – she didn't understand him, they didn't sleep together anymore, they were separated and were about to start the divorce proceedings, sure he was still living at home but that was purely for financial reasons and of course he had to look out for the kids...

The story was so uninspired you'd think she would've fallen asleep instead of falling in love.

Lou rolled her eyes at me as I tried to expel the saki from my nasal passages. My friends often regard me as overly picky when it comes to how I choose my partners, but to me it's pretty simple – I have only three rules: No addicts, no broken hearts and no partners. Any play time with any of the three always ends in tears. Right?

Apparently not always. Of all the women I'm friends with that are knowingly involved in an affair, not one of them is crying into their pillows about the men that won't leave their wives. The reason?

'Power and security,' said Lou poking the air with her chopsticks on each syllable in a bid to remind me why this was a good idea. 'And the sex is amazing.' You see, there are two types of The Other Woman. Those that know they're The Other Woman and those that don't. Lou's the former. And she's not in the minority. You can bet your bottom dollar there are far more people having affairs than is comfortable to discuss in polite company.

Trawl the dating sites and it will send a chill up your spine how many people (men in particular) are openly looking for one thing and one thing only – an affair to remember.

Lou and I had moved on to our third flask of saki before the subject of accountability came up, which reminded me of an Oprah show I saw last week.

Our favourite issues aunty interviewed a man who's written a book for wives on every aspect of their partner's extramarital affairs. It's a 'how to spot it (lie detectors, GPS tracking, rifling through his computer files), how to stop it (understand him, talk to him, make him feel like a winner)' guide for women whose men have been led astray by some cold-hearted, sex-crazed hussy.

In other words, a load of stereotypical, childish drivel that induced a gag reflex.

While I might not much like the idea of my partner cheating on me, the fact that he might means that either a) he's an arsehole, b) I'm an idiot or, c) our relationship is a sham or in crisis.

The Other Woman is merely the spotlight on an already bad situation.

So I'm always a little taken aback when wives or girlfriends who have been cheated on spit and hiss about the 'cow that has taken it all away from them'.

What about the perfectly grown-up man that gave it all away?

A few years back my partner at the time neglected to tell me about a number of minor infidelities he'd had when we first started dating. He told me about each one eventually, but not before lying to me and them and brushing them off as if they were nameless nobodies.

It was insulting and, of course, his stories to me and them were about as unimaginative as those of Frankenfuck himself. It hurt for sure, but there was no point in lashing out at The Other Woman. Ultimately, no one else is responsible for the lies we tell ourselves or the people we claim to love.

- Women24

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the ex-wife... 1/20/2009 3:50:22 PM
I kinda have to agree with you on this. If your husband is a lying cheat, then he is a lying cheat. You have no proof that the mistress was out to get You, she was just sleeping with a married man. The fault lies with the partners who don't respect your marriage or relationship enough. My ex had many mistresses. One even had a baby a few months ago. All while I was home tending to our child and home, trying to be the perfect wife to someone who could be bothered. I'm not taking the mistress' side, it's just to me she's a stranger. It's the man who has to answer for His infedlity to You're marriage.
me 1/21/2009 1:53:57 PM
I totally agree!
Bernice 1/21/2009 2:28:02 PM
I also saw the Oprah show on cheating. I suspect my best friend's husband of cheating on her. All the "signs" are there i.e always "working late", don't have sex anymore unless she initiates it, doesn't sleep in the same bed, etc. But it seems that she doesn't "see" it. How can I make her see this without telling her straight to the face that I think he's cheating on her!!!
The mistress 1/21/2009 3:41:56 PM
As a mistress - who knows she's the mistress. I am in "relationship" with a married man whom I've known for many years. Met him before he got married! We (other women) don't always get the best of him - these men hussle women - manipulate, tell you what you want to hear! I do not want to break up the marriage. How's this - he texts me while in bed with his wife! (She's sleeping!) He has no respect for his wife, not for me, probably not for himself either! Don't want to get into all the details here, but I'm pleased someone has woken up to the fact that it is not just the "other women" who is at fault. One "enlightened" man said the other day: "Men are dogs!" I don't think all men are bad, there are some good ones out there!
Antoinette 1/21/2009 4:29:48 PM
You know, I think it is just easier for the wife to call teh other woman all bad names, because if she admits her hubby i sth ebad one, she has to admit that she made a bad choice in men. So to bad mouth the other woman makes her feel better about herself and her choices
Chris 1/22/2009 7:51:03 AM
or is a woman who is "knowingly" having an affair with a married man the worst kind of betrayer? Yes, the guy is an arsehole, but how would you feel if it was YOUR husband. come on, there's a double standard at play here.
camel 1/22/2009 7:56:27 AM
I agree, but really there is probably something each person has contributed. Some men are just dogs, yes, but that's an easy way out. Not all are, some wives treat their men as jokes or as cash machines and treat sex as a chore, some women can't seem to leave married men alone. But we all must take responsibility for our choices - tough as they are... it's not all about being a liar and a cheat though..
Raleen 1/22/2009 9:01:05 AM
A woman entering an affair with a married man is condoning the fact that he lies and he cheats. If the mistress is hoping to ultimately marry a proven philanderer, how secure will she feel? She will be the wife. Who will be the next mistress?
The mistress 1/22/2009 9:13:06 AM
Come on Chris, the married man is also "knowingly" cheating on his wife! Who's the one cheating here - the husband! Believe me, I was not the one doing the chasing! And for the record, I do not want to get married. I don't want to spend my married life looking for "signs" of cheating, wondering where he is at any given time - I know men cheat! As do women! As a single person I have seen how some married men approach other women. Let's keep this objective. the subject matter was that it's not ONLY the "other women" to blame. I take full responsibility for my actions and don't condone cheating. There is more to my particular "relationship" than I care to discuss in this forum. We all make mistakes and get into spaces that are not always good.
The man 1/22/2009 9:21:31 AM
All the guys that I know all say the same thing. They have affairs because the wife is now a cold fish. No more loving or a call just to say hi. Nope the call will be about kids school or faulty plumbing etc. Wake up
person 1/22/2009 9:29:24 AM
my feeling is, the man, that when two people engage in a partnership about running a life together there will be the finer issues of, oh, say, the house and kids and bills and family and the garden etc to deal with. i find it laughable that men in relationships can say 'oh i just wasn't feeling appreciated enough' when the question is - when last did you do anything to show your wife/partner you appreciate her
Chris 1/22/2009 9:29:42 AM
Read what I said; "Yes, he's an arsehole". I didn't place more blame on one or the other - however, if you "KNOWINGLY" having an affair with a married man (or woman, for that matter) then that's just plain disrespectful.
madie 1/22/2009 9:40:35 AM
I've been having a relationship with a married man for 8 years now. I have tried - really hard - to break it off several times - and just as I think I've recovered and am back on my feet - he shows up and begs me to continue with this. The sad thing is that I truly love him and believe he does me. I realise I will never be able to trust him should we one day be together. The thing is - how do I get out of this?
One of the Other Women 1/22/2009 9:45:45 AM
We all have an opinion? One which suits our reality. The married man I was involved with chased after me relentlessly. He was not going to leave his wife and kids – it never came up as a topic. Once he admitted that he needed a bit of excitement. The stats then were that about 20 percent leave their wives and less that that actually marry the mistress. I left him after a year as I met somebody I wanted to have a chance of having a proper relationship with. He initiated contact many times and I refused to restart something which ultimately left me lonely socially, at birthdays and holidays.
The Man 1/22/2009 10:27:05 AM
person you are just like my ex wife - dry and cold. We are talking about LOVE between man & woman not "engage". What counts is love & not bills & family. They come long after. So happy I have a woman who loves me & has for 16 years. We dont work "on when last did you do" - it is constant
Phil 1/22/2009 10:27:26 AM
I agree with most of article and comments, but often woman become very aggresive in their chase of a man who wants to remain loyal. The other woman makes life impossible for the man. Woman today cannot take "no" for an answer, it becomes a challenge for them and they become relentless in their pursuit.
Nomsy 1/22/2009 11:23:48 AM
I agree with the mistress,He has no respect for his wife and it is not just the "other women" who is at fault.Its the first time I'm dating a married man and we are so inlove,althought i do respect the wife but how long can one go on like this?TheMistress 2
Chris 1/22/2009 11:32:36 AM
Oh COME ON!!! How can you possibly say that you "respect the wife" - good grief, you need a lesson in what constitutes respect.
A Man 1/22/2009 11:35:24 AM
So easy to judge fromt he outside. Women are just as guilty as men,3/4 woman have aggairs and 4/5 ment that is 75% against 80%. People don't take care of their relationships and it is easier to blame than to look at yourself first.
Robyn 1/22/2009 11:35:48 AM
Great piece of writing: witty, erudite and entertaining. Keep it up Dot.
The mistress 1/22/2009 11:36:57 AM
Agree with 'the man' - I think the love between man and wife needs to be kept 'alive'. Efforts from both sides are required. Men work hard and take on their shoulders (most of the time) the well-being and security of their families. It is stressful for them - it is a huge responsibility. I can understand that they need to feel appreciated by their wives. If I were married I would go out of my way to convey the love I feel for my husband in every way I can. This is exactly what men look for in a mistress!
Chris 1/22/2009 11:42:32 AM
@The Mistress - Now there's something you and I can agree on.
the other woman 1/22/2009 11:59:22 AM
Love your article. I have also been the other woman. He eventually divorced her, they had alot of issues. Now that he has lost everything, the house, car, business went bust etc he remembers I'm around. I have 2 kids with him. yes most men are dogs.
Chris 1/22/2009 12:04:40 PM
@The other woman - Sheesh! In order for a man to be a "dog" there has to be a woman willing to "go there with him" - you are equally at fault.
Smurph 1/22/2009 12:18:10 PM
What would you say about a single man knowingly getting involved with a married woman? Doesn't that mean he has no respect for her and/or her husband, marriage, etc?
Chris 1/22/2009 12:27:11 PM
Hiya Smurph - quite correct; I, for one, am not talking about gender, I'm talking about the situation and people's choices. In the case of "the other woman", the husband is disrespectful of both his wife AND his mistress.
St. / Sinner 1/22/2009 12:31:58 PM
I have read all the feedback here and just wish to say that I agree with "the man" as the married men that I know (and there are plenty of them) who have affairs and mistresses all say the same thing: the wife does not take care of herself anymore and just does not make an effort. It's always moans and groans about something. And yes, she is not keen on having sex any longer!!
SB 1/22/2009 12:44:40 PM
After all is said and the damage done is/was it really worth it...
Sasha 1/22/2009 1:03:18 PM
'the man' - Those calls about faulty plumbing probably refer to HIS faulty plumbing! To be fair most of the men complaining about the lack of romance in their relationships would see much more action if they took the time to help the wife out with taking care of the home and the children. The expectation that they should come home after work to a siren waiting to ravish them while there are 2.5 kids screaming in the background, dinner to be made, chores to be done etc is a bit crazy. Be a partner, help out and the romance will flow.
Chris 1/22/2009 1:07:22 PM
@Smurph - it applies equally in both directions.
Wasfi Hendricks 1/22/2009 1:30:30 PM
You guys are all stuck in a box - the human heart can love deeply more than one person. And in some religions and cultures its OK to have more than one wife (in a controlled way of course). Its such a simple solution to a fairly complex problem in society today.
Farieda Classen 1/22/2009 1:39:04 PM
I have no respect for man or woman who has affairs...no matter their lame excuses. My father was a player (and he fathered several children with his other women) - do you know the pain selfish people (man / woman) cause to a family... To all adulterous men / women for every tear / pain you inflict on the innocent you will pay for it....(I'm a strong believer what you do to others, others will do unto you - a million times more and you deserved it).
Chris 1/22/2009 1:39:29 PM
Sasha - I'm a single dad; I know all of the women out there are going to hate me for saying so but... it's not difficult. I cook, I clean, I do taxi service.. oh yes, I also run my own business. If you have a partner then "show the love" - if you don't then you will lose out.
Juno 1/22/2009 1:55:02 PM
I am so sick of the wife being blamed or labelled as cold. I had a great sex life with my husband every day and sometimes three times per day. That did not stop him. Some of these men are abusive and neglectful. You don't find wives complaining about not being told that they are winners. men can dish it out but they can't take it. Society is way too hard on wives and mothers. The fact that men have affairs is because these other women are too stupid or too desperate. At least the wives are unaware but they knowingly accept less.
Zappa 1/22/2009 1:57:11 PM
Hey Hey Hey, What about the cheating women. For every man who cheats there's a cheating woman. So don't pick on the men, pick on the cheaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Err 1/22/2009 1:58:06 PM
Err, and at the same time you have no respect for yourself. The fact that you know you're "The Mistress", obviously view him with disdain and yet carry on going back to him doesnt exactly paint you in the best light. At the same time you support him in this while complaining about him on a website? Both parties, the lying husband and the mistress deserve blame. And yes, sometimes even the one being cheated on. See, life isnt always nice and straight-forward.
Frankenfucked 1/22/2009 1:58:33 PM
My wife had an affair with my best friend for 6 years. During that time she was as cold as a fish towards me and insisted that she had just lost interest in sex. Apparently, other than the sex she was totally happy with our marriage. I suspect her of having had an affair with another friend at the same time. I can't prove it but the signs are the same as with my best friend which in turn is the same as when a man is cheating. I am now actively looking towards having an affair. Why am I staying? Kids, financial reasons and to punish her. It's complicated....ok?
DbnCpt 1/22/2009 2:02:31 PM
As a man, who has supported a second woman there is more perspective here. My wife is *NOT* a cold fish. Loving, and sexy, would better describe her. Our relationship was good, not in trouble. And we loved each other. For my part I had no wish to leave any part of this relationship. The other women was no better, or worse: Differant, yes. And so I found it easy to enjoy her company, and conversation: And later the sex. There were no lies here: And no intention to cheat, but we did... Both of us. And even felt guilt on this point. At which point did we cheat? Probably on the first meeting: Even though the sex was weeks or months later. I'm not a cheat, or a lier: And neither is my lover, but there it is... If we were more honest with ourselves we might admit that most men know EXACTLY what they are doing, even if they can't admit as such. And the "other woman" always knows: Even if she can't admit this to herself. And the wife? Yes she knew. From the first day. Even though we only talked months later. And yes: The wife ALWAYS knows. Everybody has a part of this game: There are no inocent parties...
Chris 1/22/2009 2:27:57 PM
Amen to that Juno! Your "too stupid or too desperate" comment is EXACTLY on target.
Chris 1/22/2009 2:33:21 PM
@DbnCpt - it's not about innocence or a lack thereof, it's about respect. Respect isn't something that you feel, it's something that you do. You're right, the cheating started on day one, cheating isn't defined by sex - I think that if you're honest with yourself you'll realise that you fully intended to go as far as you could with the "other woman" - it really IS that simple.
Chris 1/22/2009 2:36:22 PM
@Juno... again - but remember that it works both ways. Often it's a woman who's been abusive and neglectful.
sandra 1/22/2009 2:37:02 PM
Good article. I first got involved with a married man at a time when my marriage was breaking down..and yes, he did all the running, but never once did he lie to me about anything. He told me that he loves his wife and family from the start and just wanted a discreet affair on the side. Once my marriage broke down we continued the affair while I dated other men until I found my current partner of 6 years. Once my partner and I decided to stay together, I broke off the affair and now have no desire whatsoever to do anything similiar again. I am totally fulfilled and in a normal relationship. My ex lover and I are still friends altough has continued over the last few years to try to start the affair again, I do not feel it is worth the heartache it could cause. So yes, at the end of the day it is a case of respect for your partner and I'm glad that I have grown up enough to realise it.
Amused 1/22/2009 2:44:14 PM
Yowser ... but its getting hot in here just reading all this. What everybody seems to miss is that, as most things in life, its all about choice ... either party CHOOSES to pursue an affair, a one night stand ... or whatever THEIR fancy suggests. And likewise the victim in the marriage / relationship has a choice to make. Believe me I was surprised when my wife finally got her revenge after 4 years and I had only been to the ranch a few times ... and yes we're still married, albeit troubled at times.
Young and disheartened 1/22/2009 2:54:16 PM
I've never been married.. I read these type of stories and comments, that episode of Oprah, and relate to my own experiences... I feel so desparately sad and hopeless about it all... We're supposed to chose partners to spend the rest of our lives with and we're supposed "fall madly in Love" What for? What's the point of it all? Just makes me think it's all just so fake... Sad, but makes me not want any of it.... I feel sad to have grwon up and realize there's no such thing as True Love...
Chandyce 1/22/2009 2:55:41 PM
I think that 9 times out of 10, the Other Woman is to blame. As you said, most of the time, they know that they are involved with another man. So, these bitc*ahem*lady dogs still flirt and entice our men, knowing full well that they are married. Marriage problems or not, marriage is a sacred bind in the eyes of God (any god people) so to break it is a big no no. Unless the woman is totally clueless about him being married, the Other Woman is totally, 100% to blame...
Binx 1/22/2009 3:03:17 PM
I agree with you. It always amazes me on the celebrity front when people choose sides in the whole Jolie / Aniston debate. Why not just blame the cheating husband! Which is actually the bottom line.
The ex mistriss 1/22/2009 3:20:29 PM
Good article. I was once involved with a married man. I knew what it was about but the horrible thing was I put all men in the same category, which they are not. I now stay clear of married men - for my own sake and sanity. It destroyed my self worth. Initially it was just about great sex but the problem is, you fall for the guy - and it's someone you KNOW you can't have. It's just something to avoid, no matter how "complicated" or "in-love" you may be.
Alma 1/22/2009 3:52:48 PM
Sure, both are guilty. But what type of woman willingly have sex with a married man. In the working environment men will always try and it is up to us, the woman and mothers, to say no. Or do some woman say yes to everything.
Craig 1/22/2009 4:01:48 PM
We have been married for 27 years and lived togetther for 2 before that. I love my wife. She went thru a "crises" and would go off the deep end at the drop of a hat (she would drop it herself). We faught and argued and did not have sex for a year. We still slept together in the same bed. She eventually came out of it and we have been going for it when ever we can. I could of had an affair, but as I said I love my wife so I waited, It is worth it.Our youngest goes to Rhodes this year so it will be just the two of us. Men who have an affair are weak and should be kicked into touch.
Angel 1/22/2009 4:08:46 PM
Was once a mistress and like in all cases its all about false promises, delusion and hurt to women on both ends of the stick. I cut all ties, wife filed for devorce and he is still on a rampage. Some people are just born bad....................
Seeb 1/22/2009 4:16:14 PM
I like this mistress that posted comments on this thing. Please share a bit more with us, it sounds very juicy........
The Mistress 1/22/2009 4:16:37 PM
Concur with ex mistress wholeheartedly! It destroys self-worth entirely! Have fallen for him - will get out! Thanks, great comments and good for you!
Outsider 1/22/2009 4:17:12 PM
For all the people out there it doesn't matter whether your the mistress or the husband/wife. It is not the right thing to do and it does not matter how you try to explain it, it will never be right what was done. As a mistress you don't respect yourself and the other person how is dragged into this situation. If you are the husband/wife and not happy in the relationship just pack your stuff and end it. Why put yourself and other people throw stuff that could have been left. For the mistresses that wants to know how to leave a married man....JUST LEAVE there is no other way it can be done. For the men how claim that having affair is all right when your wife doesn't show you love anymore and praising the floor you walk on grow up because a relationship comes from both sides not one. Men work and provide security and the wife the home men don't know what goes in it to manage a house. Because before you where married or in the relationship your mother 10 to 1 did the cleaning up after you and now it is the wife/ girlfriend. Show your wife that you still love and find her sexy and you will find the person you so claimed to have lost.
The other man 1/22/2009 4:32:23 PM
It Takes 2. Not all men cheat and the same for woman. If you cheat, something is missing in your marraige. first look at yourself.
metoo 1/22/2009 4:48:16 PM
Maybe we get married for wrong reasons.I cooked, worked,looked after kids,tried to be sexy,beautiful, initiate sex, he never once said thank you,i love you or said ur beautiful =sexy.someone else did,but like my husband not to his wife.
Pop Idol 1/22/2009 5:22:29 PM
Im sorry to hear about everyones pain but, for heavans sake people,,marriage isnt natural, while sex is..If you cant satisfy your husbands needs intellectually and sexually as well as emotionally, then dont blame the mistress for hurting your marriage. Same goes for men whos wives cheat on them...Marriage should be banned as its societies fault we have this stupid institution....And for those of you thats about to rock n roll with someone from your work,enjoy it but just remember you have kids that wasnt asked to be born,so keep it a secret !!!
shirley 1/22/2009 5:23:53 PM
As long as male and female roam this earth there will always be "mistresses" and "dogs" - both are cheats, liars and one day will realise the hurts they've caused. Ex-Wife
Ninty 1/22/2009 6:23:18 PM
I married a man that cheated on his wife while he dated me. The lies and plans he made to see me were mind boggling, all the while telling me what a dreadful, unhappy marriage he had. Other people confirmed this but after we married, because of the way he cheated on 'her', I didn't trust him and hardly believed a word he said until now, 18 years later and him almost impotent, I know if he would have the balls or the strength to be able to do it again. Can't guarantee that he didn't fiddle around though during our marriage. Sure, we are very happily married but when I hear about friends that are battling with 'the other woman', even though I was assured that my husbands first marrige was desperately unhappy for them both, I feel bad because I was 'the other woman'. But as it takes two to tango, and men are just as much to blame, he was the one who pursued me until I was convinced! Funny, to them it's just another 'notch' up on the chart!!! Men don't feel guilty about anything!!!
Traveller 1/22/2009 7:23:07 PM
I am 42, totally committed to my wife, my kids and my marriage and abso-bloody-lutely amazed how one sided this type of verbal vomit can be. Dorothy dear, when last have you traveled anywhere ? Seeing both men and women on business trips bringing different "partners" to the hotel evening after evening ! Get a life ! Where there's a Frankenfuck he'll be balanced out by some Frankenfuckette somewhere. Victims are victims, whether they're the wife or the husband
another woman 1/22/2009 9:14:54 PM
You have a 50% chance that your husband will cheat some time or another. How long it lasts depends on the strength of your marriage, and what she brings to their relationship that you don't into the marriage. She may be the best friend he has if you forget to BE his friend. She may be the best lover he ever has if you are not interested in sex. She may just be his chance to escape from all the responsibility that you leave lying all on his shoulders. She may just be providing a chance to pretend he is young and cute again. Or maybe he is just a cheating type and NO marriage would be safe with him in it.
Noc 1/23/2009 1:25:37 AM
I agree too - to the woman it's always the bad bastard of a man & his little hussy.. Nah, there's another finger that can almost always be pointed. There's a reason most men go into other arms - well put by "the man".. wake up!
Another mistress 1/23/2009 7:40:55 AM
I am also a mistress who knows she is a mistresss, also a lot more involved in my situation. No he is not the knight in shining armour. I probably have that right under my nose! But he is someone who is fun and exciting to be with and makes me feel good. I am well aware that what we are doing is VERY wrong, but you know what I am not an evil horrid person, just someone who has fallen for the wrong guy.....
Your name here 1/23/2009 7:45:49 AM
I just hate it when single-dads-who-own-a-business say that it is so easy to raise the kids and take care of the house...it is easy because you can leave work whenever you want to deal with stuff at home! Not everyone has that luxury so for future reference don't say stupid stuff like that because you sound like an idiot.
KPMG 1/23/2009 7:49:53 AM
I am not leaving my wife - she is not a cold fish, she is a great mom to our sons, she works hard at ther own business etc. I rekindled an old flame not too long ago and we basically took off where we left it more than 10 years ago. We both are maried and we see each other perhaps 2 times a year - and that is enough. I do it because I love this person as I do my wife. Pitty one cannot have two... The reality is - Since I do it with the her, chances are that I will do it to her in the event that my wife found out and break me off...
Arlene 1/23/2009 7:50:52 AM
For the most part, I agree. If your marriage is in trouble and you are not working at fixing it or making each other feel like they are valued, the partner will go looking elsewhere for it. And the question goes begging as to why instead of looking for affection elsewhere, did he not try to fix what he had or end it. But to look at it from the other side, the "other woman" knows that the man is married so why get involved with him, surely she should be able to find a single man, either for a fling or for the said "power and security". Affairs are not just two way streets, they are highways - with each one involved in some way or another: husband, wife, mistress.
The next one 1/23/2009 8:19:37 AM
But it is coming. 20 years of marriage, seldom (once every 3 months or so) night out on my own. Fetch and carry the kids, the wife has her social circle, she walks with friends 4 times a week, book club, coffee circles. Sex has gone from 5 times a week to 5 times a year and even then it is like sleeping with a frozen fish. No amount of trying to find out if there is an issue gets any response. So, including the real possibility that she is already having her own affair, I am on the hunt. Life is too short to keep betting on the lame pony. To all those women or men who think my stance is wrong, think again. I have pushed this stone to the top of the hill for 15 years. Enough hard labour now. My wife will be kept in the manor to which she has become accustomed, the kids will never know, but I am now going to get mine. Write a story about that!
Lulu 1/23/2009 8:47:17 AM
I personally have no respect for a man who in turn has no respect for a committed relationship. And I think it even demeans a man's character to imply he can be tempted so easily. He has to want to cheat. If my husband cheated on me I would instantly lose respect for him. I would blame the other woman in part if she were aware of his marriage. No self-respecting woman would condone such blatant disregard for spousal responsibility. Even if the marriage were in trouble. But then again, I really can't speak from experience here.
Another man 1/23/2009 8:54:52 AM
Could not agree more with "The man" above. They call it cheating when you sleep with someone else than your wife. Well I feel cheated every week since sex has become a chore for my wife, something to "get it over" with. Feels like having sex with a corpse. How many wives of cheating husbands have driven them to mistresses due to this reason, and now cries foul? Wake up indeed.
Leigh 1/23/2009 8:59:47 AM
@ the man and Another man: Maybe your wife lies there like sex is a chore because you're such a bad lover. Have you thought of that before?
Jennifer 1/23/2009 9:02:05 AM
I agree with Leigh. If you were a good lover your wife wouldn't just lie there waiting to get it over with. She probably feels as cheated as you do.
ex 1/23/2009 9:39:48 AM
from an ex-mistress. This happened to me twice before. Both men had seperated from their wives, living somewhere else, on the brink of the divorce. Then I came along. I don't know if you can call me the mistress but I truly fell inlove with these men. They were wonderful men, never really talked about their wives but spoke alot about their children. I felt a certain sympathy and compassion for them. The only thing was the wife never knew the husband had a girlfriend even though they were not living together. So after the wives came to my house and made the biggest scene possible, I had no idea that I was the mistress. I had to call the cops for the one as she just turned physco! What I am saying. It does not pay to be with a married man. Yes, they look like the guy you want but what is the point when the one calls you on a Sunday morning and tells you, look here, I'm back at home, I'm in the same bed with my wife and she get's on the phone and tells you that sorry, he came back and we love each. Married men are not worth the effort, tears and time. I am in a happy & healthy relationship now. My partner knows about my history and what that has taught me, cheating is never the answer.
The next one 1/23/2009 9:42:32 AM
How would she know if I was a bad lover, she has not tried in months. I could go into the detail if you like but she admits that she never fails to have an orgasm, very often more than one. This is simply due to the fact that the oral sex she gets from me, when I have the oportunity to give it to her, leaves her, by her own admission, satisfied. Her view is simply that she "does not feel like making the effort". I am not the person who will stray easily, and it is her that has had two affairs since we got married. If it is me that is at fault for being a bad lover then she sjhould say so. All I can do is get a second opinion on that. When I was single I had plenty of return girlfriends, lovemaking is something that I do carefully and no holds are barred. So there is no point in trying to read into this anything that is not there. My wife gets oral whenever she wants it, I have had it .... not once .. in 20 years. It is simple, I have chosen a fantastic mother for my kids, a great daughter for my mother-in-law, whom I love like my own mother, but a really absent sex partner. I am only 49 and not willing to go into a sexual good-night at this young age. My wife will know about it, I am not going to hide it. She either engages (talks to me, asks for what she wants if she is not getting it now) with me to sort this out or I go somewhere else. Call it a fuck-buddy if you like. I need some intimacy and some sexual closeness, my wife is not giving it to me, despite my 15 years of trying to find a solution. I have not run out of love, just patience.
Leigh 1/23/2009 9:47:33 AM
@ The next one: Okay, I see your point. Fair enough.
The mistress 1/23/2009 10:02:20 AM
Wow, this is all so sad. I suppose we all have our own stories to tell - and to blame someone else depending on where we're sitting. Questions arise - is marriage all it's cracked up to be? Who should be blamed? I have true, strong feelings for the man I see, but I promise you it's not an easy space to be in. It is all on his terms - when he can get away, when he's alone to make that phone call. To KPMG who sees his mistress twice a year, and that's enough for him - have you ever asked yourself whether it's enough for her? So, to all you (Married) guys who want to/are seeing other women, please be mindful that women get emotional. Take care of them! I am probably going get a lot of flack for this, but it seems like affairs happen and will continue to happen for whatever reasons. Each to his own. Just wanted to point out that the Mistress does not have it that easy! There is a lot of turmoil - guilt, why am I in this, I love him, how do I get out, when will I see him again?! Believe me, nothing makes sense! Until the day you decide that you deserve a better life..... Good wishes to all of you! You are all awesome people.
The next one 1/23/2009 10:29:10 AM
Truth be told, it is not that I have women kicking my door down to have an affair. There is not a friend or acquaintence who would not be STAGGERED to see me have an affair. I have an awesome family, two fantastic kids who get most of it from their mom. I love my wife in all ways. She still blows me away physically, the highlight of my day is to perv at her getting dressed in the mornings. My idea os perfection in life would be just what I have now, except with a wife that feels like sex from time to time. Honestly, twice a week would do it. However currently I am in agony about it. I lie awake at night racking my brains for a solution, spend my days on forums like this trying to get clues as to what to do next. My personal life, work life (run my own business), even my relationship with my kids (you cannot help being grumpy when you are sleep deprived and miserable) is in disarray. To be honest again, I know that an affair is not going to solve this but I am at the end of my tether. I have taken to doing rabid amounts of sport. I cycle and paddle with my kids, swim 3km a day, run on the beach, all just to get to a level of exhaustion that I hope (in vain) will take my mind off this. Sh#t, from a little article on infidelity to an Agony Aunt column. Enough venting, I am gone. From February alcohol will be my drug of choice, perhaps that will do it?
leigh 1/23/2009 10:39:33 AM
@ The next one: If you feel that much love for your wife and all you need is a little nookie, TALK to her about it. Maybe she's going through hormonal changes that have disturbed her libido. Maybe she needs to see a doctor/ sex therapist/ psychologist. You sound like a nice guy and I think an affair will offer more problems than solutions. Communicate with her. Tell her you are unhappy. Tell her how much you desire her and how difficult it is for you not to have a good intimate relationship. Don't make her feel guilty, just ask her if she's willing to fix it. Tell her you're alone and desperate and frustrated. Because most of the time, these things can be fixed.
dorothy black 1/23/2009 10:42:04 AM
and you've actually spoken to her about this?
The next one 1/23/2009 10:59:08 AM
I have spoken to her on more occasions than I care to think about. She is fully aware of my issues which makes it doubly painful. She says she knows but is unable to raise herself to do anything about it. I have suggested counselling for both of us, her response is she knows what the problem is and it will not help to discuss it with someone else. The truth is I believe she has psychological issues with all intimacy, not just sex. She comes from a family where I never saw her parents show any affection towards each other, not in 12 years before the old man died. They are not a touchy feely family at all. In contrast to me where my kids never ever go a day without me telling them (and they to me) that I love them. My take on it is that she is not courageous enough to confront it in the event that she finds out stuff that she would rather not know. You are right, I love her a lot, I just need love back. Not only physical, I need to whole deal. All I would get from an affair is one small part of what I believe constitutes a loving relationship, but beggars cannot be choosers. Sh#t, I sound like some sort of wimp that is begging for scraps, when the truth could not be more different. I actually rate myself (not in a egotistical alpha-male sort of way), but I have a large group of female friends who confide in me all the time and seek my counsel. If they knew that I was talking and not walking a good game they would also be amazed. Perhaps I should have been born gay, I am starting to sound like "every girls gay buddy", no insult intended to anyone. Hey, definitely out of here. Thanks for the ears and the advice, sorry to say that I have tried just about everything. I guess she is "just not into me". If there is something she does not feel needs fixing, then there is nothing that can be done. Sounds like the final scene on "This is my life". Thanks again, and cheers.
ditto 1/23/2009 11:23:07 AM
Your comment describes my life and predicament so closely that it verges on eerie. I have been married for 10 years and have tried every little thing in the world to spark interest. I initially thought that she might be cheating on me, but we live in such a small town that I would probably have heard something about it. Speaking to her always ends up in a fight. I asked her to see a physician and he was amazed by her response that her absolute lack of libido doesn't bother her in the least. It seems like she is convinced that the problem lies with me and that anybody that requires sex more than once in a decade is a pervert. I, on the other hand, get turned on just thinking about her. Very recently I had an opportunity to cheat on my wife at a party. The woman in question was an extremely beautiful woman, but alas, I couldn't go through with it. I have never cheated on her before and I guess the hope that everything will magically correct itself is always there. This is strange as I promised myself the last time that my advances were discouraged that I would find solace elsewhere. The point I'm trying to make is this: as a good guy you are always going to come in last. I'm stuck in a position where I've been reduced to being a monk, but I still can't get myself to cheat on her. So I guess I'll be lying awake for the next 10 years frying my brain for a solution.
The next one 1/23/2009 12:18:02 PM
I guess I should have read your column on "Bad Boys - Yum" before I even took up my pen. http://www.women24.com/Women24/LoveSex/SexAndSizzle/Article/0,,1-3-53_21100,00.html ... Who the hell knows .. yes?. But since my dress sense leaves a lot to be desired, and my narcissism ends with trimming the hair in my ears, I guess I fall (that being the operative word) somewhere in the middle. Now, cricket and a long swim.
Leigh 1/23/2009 12:23:49 PM
@ditto: I understand your dilemma and you're not a pervert. What you must understand though, is that a lack of libido has such an enormous physical and emotional impact that your wife literally does not miss sex. THis does not mean she mustn't address this. Get her to a doctor. Or buy a vibrator. Or take her to a psychologist. Life is too short to live without love/sex.
The Mistress 1/23/2009 1:02:42 PM
@ ditto and others : this quote just came through on my mail, thought I'd share it (use it don't use it?) ?Do not let your fire go out, spark by irreplaceable spark, in the hopeless swamps of the approximate, the not-quite, the not-yet, the not-at-all. Do not let the hero in your soul perish, in lonely frustration for the life you deserved, but have never been able to reach. Check your road and the nature of your battle. The world you desired can be won. It exists, it is real, it is possible, it is yours.?
dorothy black 1/23/2009 1:22:08 PM
@the next one - i doubt the way you look has anything to do with it :) sounds like a mess you need to get out of. unless, of course, you enjoy being a martyr.
Cazz 1/23/2009 3:43:53 PM
I still think it is heartless and cruel for a woman to knowingly inflict extra pain, and emotional turmoil on another woman. And for what?... a man? a fck? Why would a man need to work at fixing any problems in his marriage if there is other women out there willing to do whatever he wants them to, and he doesn't need to pay them by the hour. If it is over then it is over and they get divorced. If they are still together...the other woman is just allowing herself to be used. Where has the honour among chicks gone to?
MESOBITCHI 1/29/2009 3:17:58 PM
well i had an affair with a married man. It was so good. I liked it. He spoiled me, loved me, cared for me and would never cross question me. He wanted to leave his wife for me. I said no. I don't think i'll get married either. this world is too complicated for that. Love doesn't exist. Rather marry for money.
pelo 2/23/2009 10:42:35 AM
Am struggling with the fact dat i entered the relationship knowing that he has a girlfriend.He told me all this things that they are not happy i could even C dat they R not happy.Dey were always fighting & the girl was doing things that a men would not stand for.My mistake was to listen to every little thing he was telling me and i end up in a relationship with him.NOW I REGRET eVERYTHING.i JUST FOUND OUT hes been cheating on me for yrs while waiting for him 2 sort out things with her girlfriend now ex.Lesson learned if i want a stable relationship i would not be involved with any1 invoved already.Unfortunately we learn after getting hurt.Pls after findin out dat ur men is cheatin do not phone de ada women u will hurt urself more confront the dog with enough evidence ,without evidence u will end up with a dog telin u more lies.Bliv me i hav learned my lesson......
The Life Partner 5/8/2009 2:23:55 PM
I'm in the middle of this issue. My life partner and I am living togehter for the past three years. I had a baby 19 months ago and everything went downhill from there. Always visit with the neighbours and I suspected nothing until the late night calls and sms that she sents him. I can prove that he is cheating and he denies it. So I still don't know and I don't know what to do. I have confronted him and he stop going next door but how can I be sure.
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