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A question of trust?

Are you dating Mr Man who refuses to wear a condom? See why you should be worried...

My grandfather was a stodgy old Welsh man. Short and thick-set, his views on the world were as stubborn to change as his body was. He died at the grand age of 96 surrounded by a world that was vastly different to the quiet village of Pontyprith he had grown up in.

And yet, as different as our worlds were, it was my grandfather who, many years ago during a conversation about a boy I had met, gave me one of the most important tenets of sexual exploration that any adult ever had.

"Dot my girl," he said as he gingerly dunked his biscuit into his afternoon tea, "just remember: If it's not on, it's not in."

I stared at him wide-eyed, silently praying that I had not heard this candid piece of sex advice dropping from my dear grandpa's lips. But just to be sure I got it…

"Condoms, Dot dear," he reiterated slowly. "Con. Domes."

It's been a long time since that sunny afternoon and I have never once failed his advice.

Well, except for a couple of handful of times and those times I was in long-term monogamous relationships (because those don't count right?).

Unprotected sex might be stupid, but it's a reality. Despite the fact of HIV/Aids and other STDs, we all dabble in high-risk behaviour during the course of our sexual lives. In fact, the Health24 2009 sex survey reveals that 59% men and 47% women went bareback the last time they took a new partner.

I'd like to think that in most cases this is because there's a certain optimistic bias that creeps in at the height of sexual arousal; a sort of mutual throwing of caution to the wind because 'oh how lovely we are and what could possibly go wrong if we like each other so'… which is, admittedly, most ignorant.

And yet, there is another sort of ignorance that is jaw-droppingly self-centered and emotionally manipulative, and it is one that South African women – of all races – are particularly exposed to: The Mr Man who refuses to wear a condom. Of the litany of emotionally manipulative reasons he might give for not wearing a condom, my favourite are: "Don't you trust me?", "Don't you love me?" and "It just doesn't feel right." (Neither do genital warts bucko.)

But if condoms were the only issue, we could simply tell Mr Man to pack it up and piss off (assuming you're not married to him). The problem is, it's not just condoms we need to think of anymore. If we want to be totally PC and guarded about our health, we're advised to demand a full STD test before embarking on any sexual escapade with someone new, or go for annual tests if we're in a committed relationship.

But like all good theories, it's difficult to implement. Especially in new relationships.

While we might be able to throw in the 'When last did you go for an HIV/Aids test' conversation between the second date and the third without feeling uncomfortable, asking for a full rap sheet of STD tests when you're not sure where the relationship is going (or if it's going) is still awkward. (Remember, if you're going to do this right, an STD test should be presented even before heavy petting or oral sex.)

It's a conversation we're still new to. We haven't been taught how to ask these questions and how to be comfortable answering them; we're still expected to be polite about people's privacy and not assume too much. Besides, how do you entrench the idea of voluntary STD tests if you can't even get some people to use condoms?

I'm surprised and disappointed that the Health24 survey didn't include the question: Do you ask for a full STD test before engaging sexually with a partner?

I think the results would've been interesting.

For those who are that way inclined – it is hopelessly idealistic and uninformed to toss in abstinence and monogamy as ways to prevent STDs from spreading. Preaching abstinence betrays basic biological and emotional needs, and touting monogamy as an answer assumes that both parties are faithful 100% of the time.

So how do you ask for a full test before you even know where the relationship is going? As a hot-blooded, single adult how do you abstain 100% from all forms of sexual activity (barring kissing) before being handed a certified copy of good health? How do you ask your long-term partner to go for a test?

I wish I knew.

I do know, however, that if grandpa were still around, he'd probably say something awfully pragmatic like "Dot, my girl, if a test isn't done, there's no fun."

Or something like that.

Have you ever asked your partner to go for an STD test before engaging sexually? Let us know below…

- Women24

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Vuyo 7/8/2009 9:12:41 AM
Insisting on condom usage at the beginning of a relationship is the easy part. If he asks " don't you trust me?" my standard answer is " not with my life" (and by that point I'm usually re-considering my decision to have sex) However, things get really tricky once the relationship turns into a long-term one.Eventually, you do get to a point where, after a year or so, condoms fall by the wayside -and then all you can really do is hope and pray that if your partner is unfaithful he/she at least has the sense to use protection. *sigh* when did life get so complicated?
kk 7/8/2009 9:13:29 AM
Never ever. as you say How do you start? when do you start asking for it. its very tricky. But i think for as long as you wanna embank in forbidden fruits your better do it covered. until such time you are comfortable to ask for a clean bill of health. My husband posed that question to me when i todl him we hsuld use condoms more often the "you dont trust me" i told him damn out striaght you are the man and i dont trust man period. My life my rules better than regretting when infected with aids
Miss Coco 7/8/2009 10:20:05 AM
When my partner and I first started dating we went for tests immediately and since then we go every 3 months to the VCT for HIV/AIDS and every 6 months the full bloodwork. We have been together for 18 months now and follow this routine religiously. Should anything creep up then I know he's been creepin' and his ass will be kicked to the curb. Agree with you KK, my rules my life.
LJ 7/8/2009 11:28:56 AM
can anyone please advise where you can go to get free HIV/ STD tests
Miss Coco 7/8/2009 12:31:51 PM
@LJ-Google New Start centres and check the listing on Dept. of Health site for VCT Clinics in your areas. Testing for STD/STIs is not free anywhere, only the tretment is free at government clinics once you've been diagnosed. You have to get the blood work done at a lab. Your GP, Urologist or Gynaecologist should be able to guide you in that respect.
Lady Luck 7/8/2009 12:41:17 PM
@LJ You can go to any clinic in your area. It's free, discreet and safe. You receive councelling before and depending on the result, after. Good luck! A year or so ago I had convinced myself I was HIV+. It was killing me! I couldn't work up the nerves to go for the test because I was convinced I knew already! But - after months of crying and praying I decided to just do it! And boy am I glad I did. I never felt so much relieve in my life! My suprise though was at the people in the clinic. I am a mid-20 white woman. I sat in a waiting room with about 20 black women. I was distressed for the following reasons: Only black women deemed it necessary to go for a test, Only women deemed it necessary to go for a test. Is it modern perception that tells us that white people/coloured/men etc can't get it? This was hugely distressing as it only shows how unperturbed the nation is with the rapid infection rate of HIV. Come on people of all races and faces, get yourself tested!
Jan 7/8/2009 1:11:34 PM
@Lady Luck. I am a man and do get tested as needed. However, I pay for it at my private GP, so you will not see me at a clinic...
HIV Wise 7/8/2009 2:41:45 PM
When I met my (now) husband more than 10 years ago, he was perplexed at the idea of condoms, but I insisted and he relented. Three months down the line, we both went for HIV tests (my idea again) and only THEN did we dispose of the condoms. He understood that, though I love him and found him the sexiest man around, I was not prepared to sacrifice my life for him in exchange for sex. It is up to you to take care of yourself.
mack 7/8/2009 3:24:06 PM
I agree with HIV Wise ,only in the window period - but bath with my clothes on forever ? never !, 18 months is just to long and fixating ,weare outnumbered by woman 7/1 ,because no more war ect,live a little after the window period ,surely by then the trust must have kicked in.Always using condoms will give your man the ample protection to bonk your best friend. DONT ENCOURAGE IT ! YOUR BEST FRIEND IS TRYING HARD ENOUGH !
Lulu 7/8/2009 3:36:24 PM
It's my standard policy to have a full set of STD tests (I call it the big 6) 3 months after ending a sexual relationship and before I would consider any other sexual contact. This is for my health and the health of the person I'm intimate with. Anyone who won't do the same I would consider naive or irresponsible or silly, none of which I find attractive in a potential mate anyway.
Me 7/9/2009 5:37:05 AM
The problem with asking is this.. the answer you get, is it really true? In someways i am kinda weird in that I've not been active yet have had a test(always wondered about it) and when i ask women i chat to about it the answer is varied. there is the usual scared to test, the but've only done it twice/thrice,,, are u asking if i'm a slut, and the don't you trust me answers. And the weird thing is, this is the prospect was not gonna happen but i figured i'd venture to ask.(i am curious about people i meet etc) Point is this, wo/man, the answers are the same. But i agree with above that women do check up more than guys. You must take into account that unlike women, guys don't need, or rather there is no culture of, routine check ups with a urologist like women do with gynaecologists. What will i do when the time comes(hehe i am the poster guy for std fearing = abstinence lol)? Aside from asking I seriously i don't know(beside precautions). In the end testing(at same time) is the best option but even so.. window periods can distort result.
Jaco 7/9/2009 7:57:14 AM
A man and a woman within the protected boundaries of marriage, thats were sex is intended for. Thats the rules and its clear and easy. Try and convince yourself anyway else by using this "protection" and that "protection", you will burn your fingers. Agree to this and you will not have trust issues with your partner and you will have everything as it was intended to be.
chanmac 7/9/2009 9:11:12 AM
i was seeing this guy for 5 weeks when he though it fit that we have a baby. when i raised the issue about testing, his response was 'why, have you beein sleeping around?' crazy!!
sarah 7/9/2009 11:42:23 AM
and the conversation is still not happening
FN 7/9/2009 4:39:32 PM
We just need the cure for HIV. As a man I find it difficult to have sex with a condom when I've ben married (got divorced) and now have to use plastic. I have also found most women not to particularly like condoms. It's easy to suggest the use of condoms in sober senses but wait until you're aroused. CAN WE PLEASE BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE CURE, NOTHING LESS!!! Humans have always find a cure to diseases but we're being discouraged to even think like that. Until people of the world realise that the only solution to HIV is a cure, people will continue to die.
WELLO 7/13/2009 8:58:00 AM
Well it is more important for you and your parter to go and test and with me it was a shocking news to find out that he was positive and it was after me and him having a baby she was 9 months old when we founbd out that he is positive and he did not know and we have been having unprotedcted sex for the whole time and i love him and we are planning to get married and for him being positive and me being negative we are only not just taking precausions i love him and I inted to spend my life with him. And to me life changed and i loked at the life in a different way and i was raped in 2004 and when i met him he gave me the support that i needed and he was always there for me and the only thing that we are doing now is to be there for each other and we have a beautiful healthy daughter and we have only one wish if he can get the money and pay lobola we will be complete and people out there i can say you can live with HIv it is up to you how you teat it. AND FOR THE RECORD WE SHOULD NEVER BE AFRAID FOR SOMETHING THAT WE DONT SEE, LIKE MOST OF THE PEOPLE THINK WHEN THEY GOT HIV THEY ARE GOING TO DIE THEY NOW SLEEP AROUND AND THERE THEY ARE KILLING THEMSELVES. AND HUMAN BEING YOU SHOULD THINK ABOUT DEATH WHEN YOU TOUCH THAT STOVE,DRIVE THAT CAR ANYTHING CAN HEAPPEN LIVE TODAY AS IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SEE TOMORROW AND JUST BE HAPPY
Puppy 7/14/2009 4:24:08 PM
i have a patner of 3 years adn we recently went to test adn he tested postive and im negative , i love him so very much and dont want to loose him but he wants to leave me out of fear to ruin my life, i know for a fact that if it was me who was positive he would have stood by me alwaz, what do i do then? there are only 2 times that we didnt use a condom in our relationshiop but always we have used a condom.
could happen to you 8/10/2009 12:19:02 AM
it's amazing how hard it can be to convince some guys to put on a condom! i got genital warts although i only had condomless sex within (supposedly) monogamous relationships. i got such a scare! immediately went for full std hiv/aids tests, luckily all negative. problem is that something like genital warts can be carried for up to five years. plus, the carrier does not necessary have the symptoms. if a guy doesn't want to use a condom, he doesn't respect the woman and he therefore is not worth it. kick his disrespectful ass.
Miss red 8/20/2009 3:39:55 PM
Im so with you FN, we need a cure!
belal 10/14/2009 12:38:49 AM
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