Pastor Ray's Household Budget 101

It’s clear now that President Zuma and his new best friend, Pastor Ray McCauley, have much more in common than their deep devotion to God.

If you can cast your mind back a few months you will recall (although I do understand that it’s not advisable to retraumatise oneself for no good reason so early in the week) the little visit Jacob Zuma paid to the Rhema Bible Church flock while he was on the campaign trail in March just prior to the election.

Oohh they clapped and they cheered and they sang as Mr Zuma reminded the congregation – which offers the church around R70 million a year – that the ruling party needed its support to “release the South African people from poverty and all its manifestations.”

Of course one of the manifestations of a certain kind of self-imposed poverty is debt. And we do all know that one of the root causes of debt, as the Charles Dickens character Mr Micawber explains in David Copperfield, is that it usually arises when someone lives beyond their means.

"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery," says Mr Micawber.

Apparently Pastor Ray and his spendthrift wife, Zelda, are in financial trouble and McCauley’s son, Joshua, has sent out a letter to about 100 close friends and family appealing to them to bail his father and wife out.

“I would love nothing more that to help my father settle his existing debt and see him go into his 60s debt free,” the Sunday Times quoted Joshua’s letter.

Jeez so would the five million other South Africans who work and pay tax.

Could we suggest that everyone, instead of giving them a hand out, rather give the McCauley’s a hand up. You know like that old bible story about teaching a man to fish rather than ruining his spirit by giving him one.

Why don’t we just pray for Pastor Ray and Zelda instead? The rest of us are certain that God, in his/her infinite wisdom will most certainly look favourably upon such devoted servants.

This is their finest opportunity, the moment that Pastor Ray and Zelda can prove to their congregation and the rest of us that God really, really listens to him, that he has a hotline to the redeemer.

Pastor and Mrs Bling have not been media shy in the past and have often been photographed either in their R6.5 million mansion in Durban or showing off the earthy blessings God has bestowed upon them. God is surely pleased by their good work here on this material plane.

According to the Sunday Times report, Mrs Holy Bling once told a journalist at the paper that the secret to her cleavage was the exclusive Victoria’s Secret underwear range.  She added that it might be a bit pricey but that a girl had to feel good about how she looked.

In the meantime, Pastor Bling was criticized last year for spending R25 000 on meals, which included R365 bottles of Meerlust Merlot, in ONE month. But surely these are just God’s blessings made flesh I can hear some believers thinking.

Since Zuma’s appearance at Rhema, McCauley, his New Best Friend (NBF – his OFB “Old Best Friend” being Schabir Shaik) has formed the important-sounding National Interfaith Leadership Council, which is, according to a newspaper report, “closely associated with President Jacob Zuma”.

The Leadership Council will no doubt advise the president on weighty moral matters, the economy and that other vital issue - same sex civil unions.

But I digress.

President Zuma, if you recall, has a large family and needs to keep everyone fed, watered, educated, mobile and happy.  As we know from court records in the Schabir Shaik trial, Shabby paid for lots of things for Mr Zuma from his children’s school fees to a car washes and snazzy suits.

It seems that neither Zuma nor McCauley understand the basic principles of the household budget they expect others to bail them out and keep them afloat.

But remember God helps those who help themselves.

So people, on your knees for Pastor Ray and Zelda…don’t part with a dime, you don’t need to, God will take care of his own.

What do you think about powerful, rich people asking other people to give them money to get them out of self-made debt?

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Whatever 10/27/2009 12:10:16 PM
Do me a favour. Why don't you write a nice article about a Muslim leader and see how far you get. The issue with journos and every other agnostic individual with an opinion about everything is that they seek to provoke individuals/groups/religions who they know will not fight back.Like the school bully who picks on kids he knows won't fight back. So go ahead ma'am, find a Muslim leader with a big house and shiney car, have a go at them. I dare you!
Bob 10/27/2009 12:13:11 PM
God does look after his own. But we have to wait for heaven to see the fullness of what that means. Perhaps Ray was trying too hard to create heaven on earth.
Dr Steve Brule 10/27/2009 12:13:38 PM
Awesome article, best I've read in a while. I was working for a sound company a few years back and we did a tour for a famous American televangelist, he raked in more than 2 mil a night, for 2weeks straight from people trying to pay their tickets to heaven, and at the end he had the nerve to ask us for a discount because he was 'saving' people. Needless to say he paid in full.
GT 10/27/2009 12:19:30 PM
BRILLIANT marianne. Ray Mc bought the Rhema franchise whislt in the USA looking for a money making scheme to bring back to SA.
Prayer and a visit from teh tax man should do the world of good!
Why are these Churches tax free.
Janine 10/27/2009 12:22:10 PM
Please can you tell me which "bible" contains the "teach a man to fish" story? I love how people who have never read the bible love to "quote" it!!!
Eric Hamner 10/27/2009 12:24:37 PM
Be assured that somewhere along the line either Mc Cauley wil find a racist overtone in this opinion. YOu see that is the only explanation for reports such as this.
JG 10/27/2009 12:27:08 PM
No prizes for guessing what congregation "Whatever" comes from. Maybe even part of the inner circle or a NBF?
So touchy....
Shelly 10/27/2009 12:29:01 PM
Amen!
LEONE 10/27/2009 12:30:30 PM
BRILLIANT
cindylo 10/27/2009 12:30:59 PM
what are you on about?Joshua asked close friends & family not church members,don't you ask help from your friends.please get a life
fullmoon 10/27/2009 12:32:05 PM
hahaha, good read. People like the Mc Takers need to be taken down a notch or two, then again maybe they are living in Hell on Earth!
Marianne Thamm 10/27/2009 12:33:08 PM
@Whatever...don't assume I am agnostic and if a Muslim leader asks his congregation to bail him out I'd write the same..Stop trying to avoid the issue by slandering others, don't be so intellectually lazy.
Dennis 10/27/2009 12:33:56 PM
@Whatever. You are really confused. This well-written article highlights a debt situation that an INDIVIDUAL has got themselves into and not a specific religion. Whenever money is involved and debt becomes a problem, religiousity will always play second fiddle. Debt is debt, overspending is overspending, and a 6.5 mil house is excessive irrespective of the religion.....
SP 10/27/2009 12:37:31 PM
the tone of this article is disgusting, your "where is your God now attitude" is blasphemous and not necessary. If it is true that they are in debt then it is sad and definately wrong to ask a bailout from people when money was spent on such pleasures instead of investments. But this is a time to learn, to have genuine sympathy for their mismanagement and to earnestly pray that man continues to focus on the word of God and not rejoice in the fall of fellow man. Your self-righteous tone could be done without. I agree with "Whatever" (above) when he says you should pick on someone who will really take up armour against you... the rest of us will fight in the living name of our Lord who's word lives forever. AMEN.
FJV 10/27/2009 12:39:42 PM
I'm also a devoted believer but I agree with you wholeheartedly. Greed can infect anyone .. pastor or not!
Yip 10/27/2009 12:42:05 PM
Ray is corrupt. He obviously never reads the Bible especially the part that says - do not store up treasure on Earth! He storeth the treasure in a big way.
Stephen 10/27/2009 12:43:25 PM
Oh, great! Another theorist.
Eric Hamner 10/27/2009 12:43:55 PM
Hey Whatever - your comment is a classic case of attacking the messenger - do you believe that Pastor Ray deserves to be bailed out of his overspending?
Freek 10/27/2009 12:44:36 PM
Great article. Good luck to people that still believe in people like Ray and miss the point. He must be one of the greated phonies in South Africa. What is wrong with some people. Our maid is a better person than him.
Bernard 10/27/2009 12:45:13 PM
Brilliant & to the point.
Susan 10/27/2009 12:46:06 PM
Loved your article! The slimy so-and-so. Maybe it would do them the world of good to feel what real poverty is like. Jesus wasn't rich and didn't want to be. All this bling is nauseating.
@Whatever 10/27/2009 12:49:52 PM
Whats up with the Muslim comments? Have you even seen a muslim leader rather than a business man who is muslim. Two very different individuals!!!
Mason 10/27/2009 12:50:24 PM
Marianne Thamm you darling! What an awesome article. At last somebody it telling the truth about where God's money is going, now if somebody can tell me where my tax money is going I would be delighted...
JC 10/27/2009 12:53:46 PM
Nicely put! I am inspired to pray that the good Lord gives them what they deserve.
Biltong 10/27/2009 12:54:13 PM
You'll be known by the company you keep.
Those two are both creepy!
Rob 10/27/2009 12:55:51 PM
Reminds me of another excerpt from a Dickens story, in A Tale of Two Cities there is a detailed description on how the Monsignor takes he's evening chocolate, with no less than 4 servants to do the job, the lead of which can have no less than two gold watches...
rob 10/27/2009 12:55:54 PM
What they have in common is lining their pockets with cash obtained by bullsh1tting their stupid followers.
Bonny 10/27/2009 12:58:06 PM
I so totally agree with you. When it comes to politics and religion, it's a case of "Do as I say, not as I do.."
Nelly 10/27/2009 12:58:11 PM
Marianne Thamm - because people out there are sinners doesn't mean you have to mock God and our Redeemer Jesus Christ!!! What every individual does here on this earth he/she will have to answer for, I'm definately not going to judge. Yes, certain things that people do I definately would not do. Then again each one has to answer for himself one day! YOU INCLUDED!!
Lee 10/27/2009 12:58:18 PM
Now we can see if the preachers believe their own preaching, somehow I doubt they do.
Sarah 10/27/2009 12:58:29 PM
Apparently it is easier for pastor Ray and Mrs. Bling (love that name by the way) to point out the flaws in all other parties lives than to deal with the flaws in their own. Their life style is at the expense of every member of their congregation who contribute to the "church". His congregation need to wake up and smell the meerlust...
WISDOM 10/27/2009 12:59:00 PM
Our pastor through God's wisdom has started a financial freedom seminar with our congregation. Helping us and himself to not be slaves to debt. Wed nites we'll have a practical session as to how to budget, differences between needs and wants and then use the practical session into a biblical one as to wat God's expexts from us and how we need to use wisdom within our finances. Teaching use how to use the 90% that God has entrusted to us.My prayer to those in financial difficulties let's learn how to work within a budget.
Gert 10/27/2009 12:59:23 PM
Hear hear!! So true. Then, can you believe the fact that there are fools who contribute to the dear pastor's church - why only they will know? Maybe they also think that you can buy your way to heaven. Just another reason why I personally do not trust ANY so-called Christian. But for the members of this church - there is no cure for stupidity.
Pagan 10/27/2009 12:59:47 PM
@ Whatever

Oops, seems that you never bothered studying the history of the church and about fighting, oh, I forgot, they didn’t fight they just murdered people, but you are in luck, murder is not fighting. This is applicable to the Muslim faith followers as well and the Jews. Hmm, Schabir Shaik, was anything written about him (he is a Muslim). Oh yes, some insignificant article in some newspaper nobody has ever read. I’m very sure that he still has a big house and a nice shiny car (not sure what a shiney is) and plays golf as well. So a lot has been written about him as well. But to call him (or Pastor Pay-Me McCauley) leaders, that cannot be done, except, why even bother.
Ernest 10/27/2009 12:59:49 PM
LOL

Brilliant
Ray and his loose goose are imposters!I knew it from the time he was so close to all the sportsmen and making as if he is this great saviour!Remember all the Proteas(..and Hansie) always commenting how wonderfull he is.Those people enriching Ray`s so called place of God weekly, are all fools.God will send him and his female dog to HELL!lol
Michael 10/27/2009 1:00:14 PM
Mrs Holy Bling... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Nice one. I do not understand the need of the general population to believe in a sky-fairy. Is death that scary to you, that you have to convince yourself you'll live in a pretty sky-palace and be in bliss for eternity? Is it really?
Dude@whatever 10/27/2009 1:00:21 PM
Dude, she is merely pointing out that while millions are starving all over the world, a man of god and his floosie insist on living on the extremes of the high life and beyond. How can you call yourself a servant of god and live it up like they do, while people die daily of hunger, aids, malnutrition, malaria all over the world. Only idiots like you believe in god, get a life man, intelligent people invented god to control idiots like you. That's what makes us smarter than animals.....exlcuding you of course. Take responsibility for your life! Accept what you have, accept that you will die one day, accept that all your little imperfections will not be forgotten in the afterlife when you will be as smart as Stephen Hawkins or as pretty as Brad Pitt, walking on streets of gold. And lastly, please don't reply by defending your religion and telling me what a piece of rubbish I am. That's not what jesus would do, rather go and pray for me.
Christine 10/27/2009 1:02:16 PM
Anyone who gives this guy more money to continue his lavish lifestyle must be crazy. rather give it to the poor, who will spend it to buy necessities, not luxuries.
@ Whatever 10/27/2009 1:03:34 PM
Muslim preachers (not leaders- there is a difference you know) don't ascribe to the bling lifestyle of televangelists. So Marianne can look but I don't think she will find one....
Marion Brown 10/27/2009 1:05:16 PM
Ray MaCauley (he is no pastor) and many like him are going to burn in hell. I am a practising Christian but get so angry about people like him who show such disregard for everything our Jesus preached. Jesus himself said "foxes have holes and birds have nests but the Son of Man has no place to rest", let alone a mansion. He said if someone asks for your shirt you must give him your cloak also, not buy top range clothing for yourself. He praised the widow who gave her last coin to God. This man is an abomination in the sight of the Lord. A greedy, dishonest, blood sucking, adulterous thieving opportunist who will get his reward in hell.
AJ 10/27/2009 1:06:29 PM
Firstly, to my friend 'Whatever'; when a person takes on a role that is supposed to represent the principles established in the Holy Scriptures then according to 1John 2:6 as a follower, he should 'walk as the Saviour walked'. The scriptures warn of men like this charlatan McCauley (Rom 16:17-18, Phil 3 especially v18-19, and many other places)who brings shame to the work of Christ on the cross.
Don't take out the messenger!! I wish some of the Christians sitting in churches could be as discerning as this writer, that way there would be no scandalous behaviour from the leadership. Face it, McCauley has brought shame on himself, his family, his church and his community... and if you think this mild little article gets in his face, wait until he stands before the One he purports to represent.
Peter 10/27/2009 1:07:38 PM
Well, there's the rub. The South African Council of Churches was active in the struggle against apartheid but has been sidelined by a roadshow assembled by Reverend Bling, all buddies of the Zoomer. Christianity is about healing of brokenness; about humility; about grace; about surrendering of self - not about lining the pocket, fleecing others, and seeking political power. Let's get some kind of lobby up and running to challenge why the SA Council of Churches, with its mainstream and credible and deeply committed presence is sidelined by Zoomer and his chums. I agree with Marian's scepticism about faith when we face such manipulative behaviour. I disagree with the complete rejection of faith. I am a local preacher in the Methodist Church and I believe that real application of faith and discipline and every word Jesus the revolutionary taught are needful in this wreck of a country at present.
Sede Crem 10/27/2009 1:11:01 PM
@Janine.. spot on Sister, that is an old Chineese proverb, bible has nothing to do with it. Agree, these Dynamic Preachers, Can't belive that what they are doing isn't solely for the purpose of enriching themselves, but they are are getting people to connect and they are bringing a message, so it is a 50/50 thing... they will have to give account one day, and one hopes that they have a crdit as opposed to a debit balance sheet.
Rene 10/27/2009 1:11:36 PM
Marianna, you hit the nail on the head.I wonder though how many did give to this "worthy" cause. sick sick sick
Sarah 10/27/2009 1:12:48 PM
and another thing - the "church" might be a tax free entity, but what about Ray in his personal capacity - I sincerly doubt that he can write off his R25 000 entertainment bill to the church, or his R6.5mill house. Why is he not being investigated by the tax man, and why are people still blindly supporting him after he has CLEARLY made a fortune off of hapless "believers" (perhaps now, they might move to a more frugal place of worship)
Paul 10/27/2009 1:13:45 PM
Top story , this is the best of the century , when can we expect the follow-up, love it when the who's who become same as the rest of us, my troubles don't seem so bad any more.
Women24 Ed 10/27/2009 1:14:10 PM
Love it!
GT 10/27/2009 1:14:54 PM
We need less Jesus and more school in Africa. This insane reliance of the supernatural to pick up after you gets a person nowhere. Oh and while I am abusing the pious, could someone please explain why the all powerful, all seeing, omnipitent LORD OF ALL needs cash? And when he gets cash, why can he not manage it.
Suggested viewing for a good laugh - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o
Me 10/27/2009 1:19:23 PM
Whatever...LEAVE MUSLIMS OUT OF THIS YOU MORON.
Sean 10/27/2009 1:19:28 PM
Excellent article,always had a problem with organised commercial religion with their self enrichment and extravagance at the cost of people having the fear of God put into them. "Takes your money and paint's you saved" Rodregues,Cold Fact
Seems like Ray is slipping the same way as Jimmy Swaggart
rbgguy 10/27/2009 1:22:56 PM
blah blah blah - why does this concern you and how does this have anything to do with womens issues? true believers see right through ur types - get a life
Willempie 10/27/2009 1:27:23 PM
It amazes me how the followers of this man follow him and pay him. It is written: Luk 16:18 Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery. AND 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Does Ray knows the bible? Lastly Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. I think his followers can not read!
rbgguy 10/27/2009 1:29:01 PM
Teach a man to fish an old Bible story? - lol ur stupud. Get your facts straight
Honey 10/27/2009 1:30:20 PM
I must agree. Spot on.
Edan 10/27/2009 1:36:36 PM
mind your own business, you are just a meddling ignorant fool full of bitterness and sour grapes.i wouldn't give you a cent, you add no value.
Rosie @Freek 10/27/2009 1:39:46 PM
Even your maid is better than Ray MacMoron? What kind of a left field classist comment is that? You truly are a Freek. Even your maid is better than you.
Liza 10/27/2009 1:40:02 PM
Mr & Mrs Bling make me sick. They are money grabbers, dishonest, false and serve mammon, not God. They use uneducated hard working and gullable people to pay for their luxuries and lavish life style. I once read an article in a magazine where Mrs Bling showed off her fantastic collection of shoes, by the hundreds - this while most people in their congregation are suffering and battling to make a living.
Marianne, I agree with your opinion on the Blings but please do not mock God as our God is great. As a Christian I find it extremely offensive.
Mich 10/27/2009 1:45:46 PM
Are all these defenders of corrupt politicians and people like Ray blind or just stupid. Well carry on giving your 10% to support his lifestyle. Stay in the flock. All of you are just sheep. Ray was once overheard saying that he is going to open a church and become rich. Figures! Could he not increase the 10% to say 12%. That should help a little
Cliff 10/27/2009 1:55:41 PM
What is scary is a journalist can have a go someone and then misquote. The quote is far from Biblical...it is a quote made by Confucius...and has nothing to do with the ruining of a spirit and God takes care of his own is also nowhere in the Bible....please do not presume to pass judgement and act superior when you misquote. Even a fool is counted wise when he holds his peace; When he shuts his lips, he is considered perceptive (Proverbs 17:28) - you should have proof read your article! And I agree.....find a Muslim leader and have a go at him and see what happens!
Al 10/27/2009 1:57:49 PM
What would Jesus have done - certainly not spent money on R6.5m house etc?
James 10/27/2009 1:59:02 PM
The opium of the people...
penny 10/27/2009 1:59:07 PM
It saddens me that ultimately God himself is brought into disrepute and his cause on earth dishonoured. Fortunately there are still sincere men and women who live by Jesus' instruction to 'Seek first GOD'S KINGDOM AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS...' Such people are worth emulating.
penny 10/27/2009 2:02:33 PM
It saddens me that ultimately God himself is brought into disrepute and his cause on earth dishonoured. Fortunately there are still sincere men and women who live by Jesus' instruction to 'Seek first GOD'S KINGDOM AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS...' Such people are worth emulating.
Thembeka 10/27/2009 2:04:30 PM
...Pastor Bling needs to be re baptised....
Lee 10/27/2009 2:10:36 PM
@ Sean, and that's a concrete COLD FACT
mack 10/27/2009 2:17:45 PM
taking the mickey out of Ray and JZ is fine and just...no problem !Taking (trying to ) the mickey out of GOD ,will cost you dear, lady.Like the big spenders -dont say you were not warned.Get cross with God ,laugh at Him ,He can take it - but will you be able to stand if HE gets upset with you ?Remember you are not self made ,no matter what shite you were told.He brought you in ,He can at any moment take you out.
Tshwarelo 10/27/2009 2:19:35 PM
Well, well, well. I believe in God, Jesus and everything. I guess the pastor realised that Jean Paul Getty was real when saying "The meek shall inherit the earth, but not the mineral rights." Makes one wonder why the good pastor doesn't just give so that it shall be given unto him.
Ex Congregation 10/27/2009 2:20:19 PM
Anybody who lives in a R6.5m house, spends R25k a month at restaurants and has debt problems, needs to pray for some wisdom and not for a congregation. And how does the son get away with buying designer sunglasses for Ray's birthday and then claiming it back from the church? Bad corporate governance all round! Let them stop looking for handouts and start acting responsibly.
Cazza 10/27/2009 2:20:24 PM
I agree that they should not be given an easy way out of trouble if they have been spending frivolously, but please don't mock God, God is not to blame for their situation, they have themselves to blame!!! Being a Christian myself, if you spend money, then don't spend what you won't be able to pay back, is it necessary to have a R6.5 million house, not necessarily!!! The church that I come from actually teaches us about managing our finances correctly, spending money wisely, not getting into unnecessary debt, etc... In the Bible there is a sin known as "folly", folly can be anything that is foolish, and that includes foolish spending, I will not be the judge since I'm in no position, but "Mr & Mrs Bling" as you put it will be accountable before God for their actions, so please don't assume that ALL Christians are like this. And by the way, if you ask God to give you wisdom and help you to make the right decisions, then He will help you, but don't make wrong decisions and then ask God to get you out of your predicament, is doesn't work that way!!!
Michael 10/27/2009 2:23:04 PM
Oh no!!!! If you have a problem with Ray Mccauley, don't mock our sky-fairy!!! It's insulting! We don't like it when you make fun of our make-believe friend!
Vic 10/27/2009 2:24:03 PM
We are all like him. We live in the lap of luxury when the rest of the world aspires to a dollar a day and then we criticize and tear down those who are more affluent than us.

I rent a three story mansion and haven't done much recently to alleviate the plight of anybody.

I too have values which I myself cannot attain.

I love a Meerlust Merlot, but prefer a Meerlust Rubicon.

I need God more than anybody else. If I have to give up everything and live in abject poverty to have a relationship with God I will gladly do it. In fact I am willing to give up everything so that you, Marianne, can have a relationship with God. Will you publicly declare that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and live your life accordingly if I give you everything I own? Then pop me a mail.

If not, I will know that you were just breathing toxic air.
Swazi 10/27/2009 2:24:08 PM
As a Christian, I am deeply saddened and offended by the behaviour of Ray Mc. But I believe the intellectual laziness works both ways. Bad behaviour by 1 man does not justify contempt of God. And please Ms Thamm, please don't quote the bible if you haven't read it.
Chamuk 10/27/2009 2:32:08 PM
Well said Marianne, these so called 'holy men of the cloth' will get the day of reckoning, but how stupid can the congregation be for just giving & giving? I say being a pastor is the easiest way to earn a living, if you have the gift of the gab, you can fool any fool!
guy 10/27/2009 2:32:31 PM
LOL!
Not sure whats funnier the article or the holier than thou comments?
Anna 10/27/2009 2:33:26 PM
EXCELLENT. But Oh boy have you opened a can of worms. Let's see all Pastor Bling's congregation defending him and his croney Zuma and all the bible references defending the two....
Whatever@Dude 10/27/2009 2:33:36 PM
If I'm wrong and God doesn't exist I've wasted a lifetime. If you're wrong and he does, you've wasted an eternity.
Loux 10/27/2009 2:36:33 PM
Surely Pastor Bling should know, that you REAP what what you SOW!
Splendid as always Ms Thamm.
Rehan 10/27/2009 2:37:06 PM
I dont know why people even humour religion anymore. It's the 21st century. there is no more need for a god. you've got loads of other stuff to help you emotionally. i suppose people are still scared of death.
Baas Koos 10/27/2009 2:38:14 PM
Nee kyk, as ek nou al n k@k artikel gelees het in my lewe is dit die een! Skryf eerder oor goed wat saak maak.... as hy wyn suip is dit sy saak! ek wil dit nie weet nie! Ten minste vat hy nie die geld sood die klomp wetters in die ANC nie! Daar is n goeie bewys!
Stefan 10/27/2009 2:42:52 PM
Thank you. I have really enjoyed reading your column.
Kathryn 10/27/2009 2:44:14 PM
No one is showing contempt for God people.. relax.. stop defending someone who wouldnt know the truth of the bible if it smacked in dead between the eyes (referring to Ray here)..

Keep in mind too that journos write what they do in order to encourage discussion and paper sales etc.. i'd say judging by the long list of comments - mission accomplished!
Copper 10/27/2009 2:51:55 PM
Well written, had a good laugh. Although I also had a bit of a giggle at some of the comments!
michael 10/27/2009 2:57:12 PM
Guys, i've read all your comments about Mr & Mrs bling and I'm terrified at your conclusions. Let me spell it out to you. Here is a couple who's using GOD'S NAME to enrich themselves. It's not about preaching any message. I feel sorry for he's congregation. This is another example of how sick south africans are. People in power or have a certain degree of power, exploits those souls that's hanging on to hope. E-tv should stop broadcasting he's services. Can anybody tell me what he does with R70 million rand per annum?
Lewis 10/27/2009 3:01:49 PM
Baas Koos, no one forced you to read the article, or to comment. Fool.
Believer 10/27/2009 3:09:10 PM
mmmm food for thought....! And I'm not agnostic! and I do pray for them....
Sue 10/27/2009 3:15:44 PM
Amen sister, amen
Excalibur 10/27/2009 3:19:43 PM
And, just as the supporters of Julius Malema will excuse ANYTHING that he says and does, so the good charitable folk of the church will do the same for Ray. Tsk, tsk, tsk, sow your wild oats and then rely on prayers for a crop failure on Sunday. @Whatever, SP, Nellie - this is not about God but about Ray and his wife USING God for their own purposes. Open your eyes ... not your mouths.
glenn 10/27/2009 3:33:25 PM
Jesus loves me yes I know. I have an invoice to prove it so.
MICHAEL 10/27/2009 3:34:57 PM
Baas Koos, I hope that you enjoying a very fulfilling life because seem to be sitting on satan's lap. Remember who kicked he's ass out of heaven?
MICHAEL 10/27/2009 3:46:16 PM
Is there anything legal than can be done to this couple. I'm 1 of those people who would give my last R10 knowing that it will help somebody less fortunate than me.Or so I thought. I feel that something has to be done and he has to confront the people about he's dishonesty. Not withstanding who he's Anc buddies are. I'm angry at all of this because I feel exploited. Can anybody please help.
Horrid Harry 10/27/2009 3:50:53 PM
Amen to that sister. These greedy fakes should demonstrate just how real their faith is by getting their god/s to shower blessings, material or otherwise, on their needy brethren rather than passing round their begging bowls. Sis man.
GodisGod 10/27/2009 3:57:33 PM
Guys stop all this madness about Ray, He is not a GOD.Whether you want to believe there is only one GOD and he will remain GOD whatever you and me are saying.
Paul Bethke 10/27/2009 3:59:16 PM
Pastor Bling should go fishing.
Luke 17:27
@ rob 12:55 & Marianne 10/27/2009 4:07:57 PM
Rob you are ignorant and should not comment on this forum. Marianne, be original and do your own story instead of re-hashing another journalist's work from another newspaper.
Really, I think that the most people who have something negative to say about Ps Ray should also look at themselves and "remove the plank in the eye" first or "cast the first stone". Also, your use of Ps. Bling and Mrs Bling is derogatory and represents bad journalism. Write a better article about something you've researched instead of the drivel you know nothing about.
Whips excite me 10/27/2009 4:10:09 PM
pastors are at the end of the recession chain, as incomes drop - so do tithing levels and ad hoc collections. however, i suggest that the good pastor sell his Harley, downgrade to a smaller pad, and get rid of da Mrs...wonderbra and all. Would luv to see da author have a dig at a slums imam as well...
Roenel 10/27/2009 4:11:19 PM
Lewis, everybody is entitled to read and wright as they which, not only you. Don't be double the fool to call others a fool.
Michael, mock the Sky-Fairy as much as you like, but when a loved one of yours is busy dying or maybe you are dying, will you be the first one on your knees. If you have not experienced the Power of God yet, I suggest you zip your mouth, because the day when He brings you down to your knees, He does it with a vengance. He is still the God that created the universe and the earth, and of course, YOU!!!! God's vengance is sweet, please do not stand at receiving end of it. Pay the Artist respect that created you, at all times even if you don't want to.
crazy@waterproof 10/27/2009 4:18:51 PM
Ray Mcaully is waterproof. People should rather serve God wholeheartedly and not Paster's and there wives on the whole. Paster Ray Mcaully can sell his mansion and pay is debt and still live comfortabily
Ela 10/27/2009 4:21:38 PM
half way into the story, i don't get what you're on about.. Lets be honest, which one of us wouldn't want to live a good life? Ray simply lives his dream and its time some of you attended to your own.
Rascal 10/27/2009 4:26:13 PM
Hey people this fat cat is turning into onother Jimmy Swaggart.LOL
Graeme 10/27/2009 4:26:35 PM
An awesome read - you really hit the nail on the head!
HRHBeetjie @ Marion Brown 10/27/2009 4:34:53 PM
Ahem, excuse me. Who gave you the job of judge? Oh, and not only just judging but also condemning them to hell for all eternity. What astounding arrogance! Did you maybe miss a very important part of the Bible. Here, let me remind you Matthew 7:1-5.
Muslim@whatevert 10/27/2009 4:49:20 PM
I dont think christianity was being mocked at but rather an individual who is being a bad example. Buddy Chaban was mocked at and the entire muslim community supported the media as he was a disgrace. I agree with the authors sentiments but also have the utmost respect for christianity my fellow christian freind. - Peace on you.
Ex Supporter 10/27/2009 4:52:34 PM
Ray, I hope that you are reading all of these comments. Don't you think you have now gone too far? Please wake up. You are bringing God and Christians into disrepute - we all get painted with the same brush. I used to go to Rhema, went to Psalmody School with Tom Inglis - believed in the prosperity message. But this Ray - is not what God intended. Please take a step back and have a look at what is going on. You have taken the prosperity message too far. God did not intend for His people to live on credit and in debt. This is very clear in the Bible too. He did not intend for us to live a lifestyle which encourages what is happening now. You are meant to be an example of the humility and love of God. But now, everytime we hear about you or Zelda, it is either about your latest famous/important friends - or amid controversy. This is also not what God intended. Please get out of the bubble you have lived in for so many years and see what is happening around you. I know, because I was there. You can use scripture to justify your lifestyle - but it has gone too far. Surely you can see that. Pastor is not a corporate title - it is a calling.....
Paul Bethke 10/27/2009 4:53:44 PM
Pastor Bling should go fishing.
This should read Matthew 17:27

Luke 17:27 also has an application to Bling eating and drinking wyn.
Marco V 10/27/2009 5:08:40 PM
Marianne - you sweetheart! You bastion of knowledge and insight!! Thanks for your informed feedback in this public forum. What disappoints me is that you choose to slander people in said forum, while ignoring any of the good that this pastor has done in this country. Notwithstanding what the man has actually given. This is not to say that they are perfect - but WHO is Marianne?? Imagine Ray writing about your faults - You with your "promise I'm not grey hairstyle" and smoke stained teeth? I see people like you pay the price all the time for this type of baseless slander - reagrdless of what God you believe in - sh!t comes back to you. Good luck to you my goat faced friend
Ex supporter 10/27/2009 5:33:47 PM
One more thing, don't come down on Joshua about all of this. This may well be God's way of exposing things to the light so that things can be rectified and restoration can happen.m
Bob Johannesen 10/27/2009 5:37:39 PM
Well done Br. Vic! You are are giving A stimulating challenge,spiritually,mentally & physically! That would be like a Joshua alter call, "Choose you this day whom you will serve". Christians aren't perfect,just forgiven! As "that day" grows closer,as evidenced by obvious warning signs of failure of man's best endeavours,so we all at some stage will have to choose, one of only two choices. Bob J.
Noodly Appendage 10/27/2009 6:09:59 PM
There is no god. Never has been. People who believe in the so-called scriptures of the so-called god are credulous morons.

There we go, Kathryn at 2:44 (er, that's a time, not a bible reference).

And while there is no god, there are plenty of credulous morons, and even a couple of bottom-feeding scumbags willing to prey on them. Ah ha ha ha, see what I did there?
Vibe!!! 10/27/2009 6:15:24 PM
Ever heard of a charismatic church. That is what Rhema is all about!!You attend a church service yet it feels like attending a barbeque in a five star resort!!More image than substance and most probably inherited from the USA where the so called "Pastors" beg on their own private TV channels for contributions. There have been so many reports of squandering in those churches yet South Aficans are prepared to throw a blind eye for the sake of religion and their Saviour!
Woodgoat 10/27/2009 6:18:23 PM
Humorous, but just another thumb sucking wannabee. Give gave us the "facts", but some of us sceptics needs proof. How about facts and figures next time round...
Hennie 10/27/2009 6:40:58 PM
Jesus never took money from anyone. Time to seperate real Christians from the money sharks. Good bye Ray.
amanda 10/27/2009 8:42:17 PM
Freek- I don't get the comment about your maid being better than him! Some people are taking this very personal. I liked it! Perfect article! Ray is a disgrace!
NV 10/27/2009 9:22:00 PM
Marianne thanks very good i love it!!!!!!!!!!!
AnnelizeR 10/27/2009 9:40:36 PM
Mr and Mrs Bling have a few options. Sell their very expensive house or Mr Bling can return to his old job as a Bouncer! Ex-supporter you are absolutely correct - "Pastor is not a corporate title - it is a calling...." Clearly Mr Bling does not understand that it is a calling. Joshua should leave Mr and Mrs Bling alone to sort out their own problems.
Spikkels 10/27/2009 10:00:52 PM
"Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for the night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." - Terry Prachett
mediawhore 10/27/2009 10:19:29 PM
false prophet. that's what he is.
Hennie 10/27/2009 10:45:30 PM
Ray & all his partners in crime in the USA are living proof that god does not exist - if he did he would have turned them into salt pillars or something ridicilous long ago.
dave 10/27/2009 11:05:36 PM
You bluntly say the bible says something it absolutely doesn't say - You thus lie and yet you think you qualify to have an opinion. You deceive your uninformed readers. DO YOU THINK THAT RIGHT.
richard 10/27/2009 11:38:19 PM
I don't know much about Ray McCauley's spending habits and debt levels, but I do know that I attended a service at his church 27 years ago at it changed by life dramatically for the better - I feel deeply indebted to Ray.
Disillusioned with Pastors and politicians 10/28/2009 2:43:52 AM
It is sad that people (some pastors in happy clappy churches and politicians who toy toy) with hidden agendas hide behind the cloth as well as the power of politics, fooling many with their false ways, lies and passion for earthly things. They need to rememeber that regardless of who they think they can fool, by taking money that was never theirs in the first place, diceiving their followers etc that they will not be able to leave this earth with a Venter trailer or a clean conscience. They will die in the same way that they were born-with nothing!. They will however be accountable to God for what they have done and even though their material wealth, pedestals of power and the self made glory they claim to have, may have made their lives a heaven on earth, they will face the eternity of hell for being two faced. More so the men and women who claim to have been called by God and serve Him.
I know a few pastors who make their congregation think they are perfect,hero worship them, almost to the point of brainwashing their congregation as well as their families and communities. What goes on in their homes and how they treat their blood families is appalling, so I say to those hypocrites be damned...God is watching you and you can not hide what you are doing from Him. Politicians, like Zuma the same applies to you. Jesus walked humbly... maybe thesepeople should take a page from His book.
fodder 10/28/2009 6:22:19 AM
take the collection plate throw it in the air GOD please take what you want I will take what you leave ME thanks GOD.
The Way It IS 10/28/2009 6:40:37 AM
matthew 10:8 "freely ye have recieved freely give" this is rgards to mc thief, who gives him the right to sell religion when it was given free in the first place, the defenders of mac thief, have made a congregation of MAC gullibles
Xavier 10/28/2009 6:44:11 AM
"A fool and his money are easily parted". I can't think of a more appropriate case than this.
Allan 10/28/2009 7:33:03 AM
Ray McCauley and his son are two of the biggest pigs I have ver had the misfortune of meeting. The man is a con artist and is nothing short of pure scum. They are no closer to god than a brick.... so who are the stupid one's here?
Clearly the stupid people are the masses that flock to congregations of these hoax players.
Religion was designed to indoctritnate the ingnorant masses for political gain, all that has changed is that it is now for financial gain.
Nicholas Schutt 10/28/2009 7:58:54 AM
Come on people, get off your high horses, I am an agnostic and proud of it. Stop being so touchy when someone questions your religion/choice/lifestyle/whatever, to each his/her own, it's called an opinion, deal with it. This article isn't about mocking "God", it's about living in excess and expecting others to bail you out. Rhema and Ray lost the plot a long time ago, it's about time they learnt from their mistakes, debt free by 60? Wouldn't that be nice...
Mike Turner 10/28/2009 8:14:09 AM
Brilliant Marianne, well done! Now let's unleash Noseweek on these thieving scumbags. Fertile ground indeed for the taxman, methinks....
Darryn Havenga 10/28/2009 8:34:49 AM
I am 100% born again, follower of Christ - the author of this article is spot on - if you are a Christian and offended, you need to get on your knees and back into the bible to understand how NB it is that our lives reflect Christ's. RM and wife should be managing their finances better, and as elders of the church, until they can run tehir household better, they shoudl step down according to biblical requirements of an elder in God's church.
Piet Olivier 10/28/2009 8:47:56 AM
If you are claiming to be a Christian or a child of God, I want you to know that you might be the only Bible that people may read in their entire life time and it is up to you to keep the name of the Holy God pure and high!
Mongezi 10/28/2009 8:58:31 AM
I worked Rhema as an Engineer three years ago and decided to leave because of how things were run. I knew one day Mr Bling and Mrs Bling will be scene for what they really are and as for that idiot Joshua, he`s just worried because if daddy goes broke then he`s in deep sh1t. Stil cant believe people go there every sunday and listen to Ray`s bullsh1t.
kev 10/28/2009 9:07:34 AM
What the majority of the commentators in these replys do not understand is that the bible aside,the tax laws that govern a Public Benefit Organisation such as Rhema specificaly state that funds received from the public may only be used for the stated purpose for which they were donated, which purpose, is written into the Receiver of Revenues portion of their constitution and that portion may not be altered. Spending donated public money on a function at the Sandton Convention Centre for a birthday celebration for Mc Cauley is in contravention of the tax laws that govern a Public Benefit Organisation. It is illegal! regardind Mc Cauleys salry,the same tax laws state that the renumeration af a fiducery officer or emplyee of a Public Benefit Organisation must be fair and equitable and but in line with what such people in PBO"S generally earn. Unfortunately Mc Cauleys stated salary is probably 4 times more that stated as the Sunday Times did not quote the correct figure. Plus the annual income for Rhema 2008/2009 was 100 million,not 70 as stated. Their finacial report is on their website.Mc Cauleys excessive expense accounts (lunch etc)is money spent that is not in accordance with the tax requirements that state public money may only be spent on the stated purpose of the ministry. R25000 per month lunch bills including R350 bottles of wine are not complient with PBO Tax requirements.This is definately a case for the receiver of revenue.?
Julia 10/28/2009 9:08:40 AM
I am a member of Rhema Bible Church and in all the years that I have been attending the services, not once did Pastor Ray ask the congregation for money. We have done love offerings on his birthday which he is always thankful for, but we do that with pleasure in appreciation of all that he does for us. The Bible says that we should be cheerful givers. What we give to the church is for the church and what Pastor Ray and the elders of the church do with that money is between them and God. Pastor Ray is very open about the finances of the church and does not hide anything from his congregation. I think that you should spend your time maybe reading the Bible and getting closer to God rather than putting men of God down.
hemmingway 10/28/2009 9:44:39 AM
why is it news if a christian leader has fallen.... why don't you use your public platform for good like our kids being raped for a change then this hot air story about a man eveyone knows has gone to the dogs.At least he still have people who cares, maybe that is were you lack and why you so bitter. that is all he is by the end of the day a simple man like any other. And of bible stories why are you casting stones and judging like you actually done so much good. Please I am tired of people always attacking christianity on the basis of what men do. No one is perfect and never will be. we all fall and we just need to get up afterwards. For ones I would like to see people like you and other "thought provoking" journo's to use these platform so we can get solutions to things that matters like our children and health systems. Instead of this high and mighty arrogance you seem to think you have a right to. Wake up your stories are not inpiring or motivaniol or astounding in anyway. It is a cheap way that every fool can use to get a reply so he deem himself a journalist when he is just a bitter little girl who has no power at home and trying to vent here. your problems is with yourself and your moral. work on that before you start waving fingers and as for the rest of you praising this story... you are thereason why they don't spend time on real issues because cheap bitterness is a much better seller for there ego's.
robin 10/28/2009 10:13:59 AM
"Religion is like opium to the masses" - (Karl Marx) and Ray Mc is the drug dealer selling the drug every Sunday. He needs to make sure that people are poor and desperate so that he can continue selling religion to pay ease the pain of daily realities.
Esther 10/28/2009 10:39:09 AM
What you love, you shall grow to resemble... What is your identity settled in? Jesus told the rich man to sell all his possessions. (Matthew 19:21) The rich man walked away grieving because he had many possessions. The rich man’s identity was settled in his many possessions. Jesus asks: “Will you follow me?” Following Jesus requires the willing surrender of our identity, the willing loss of all we are for the sake of Christ and the reign of God.
“The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” (John 10:3-6) “An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule at their direction; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?” (Jeremiah 5:30-31)
Set not your affection on things below. Hold them with a very loose hand and be ready to surrender them at a moment’s notice. Use your prosperity well while you have it; but lean not all your weight on it, lest it break suddenly and pierce your hand.
SAD 10/28/2009 10:49:35 AM
Maybe Ray should sell his house in Durban and move back to Randburg so that he doesn't have all the expense of travelling to and from on a weekly basis. Maybe the Harley should be sold as well!!
Travis 10/28/2009 10:54:24 AM
God uses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise. Carry on throwing stones people but just remember that money means as much to God as dirt does. Whether he is in debt or not has no bearing on the lives he touches weekly and until you've taken the time to sit with him and see the man he really is then you really shouldn't be crossing the line of writing in the ground.
Melissa 10/28/2009 11:27:58 AM
I personally dont think that he deserves a "bail out".
Reuben 10/28/2009 11:33:53 AM
Stop with the gossip, report on something that is affecting our nation. Do some real Journalism !
Jo 10/28/2009 12:23:44 PM
To all those offended by the article.. grow up!! your holier than thou comments are doing nothing to alleviate the cold hard fact that Ray and his wife and many others I am sure, exploit religion for their own personal gain and wealth! Acknowledge the truth, and move on with faith by your side. Why do you feel the need to justify?
Sceptic 10/28/2009 12:49:44 PM
This is Horus. He is the Sun God of Egypt of around 3000 BC. He is the sun
anthropomorphized, and his life is a series of allegorical myths involving the sun's
movement in the sky. From the ancient hieroglyphics in Egypt, we know much about
this solar messiah. For instance, Horus, being the sun, or the light, had an enemy
known as Set, and Set was the personification of the darkness or night. And,
metaphorically speaking, every morning Horus would win the battle against Set—
while in the evening, Set would conquer Horus and send him into the underworld. It
is important to note that "dark vs. light" or "good vs. evil" is one of the most
ubiquitous mythological dualities ever known and is still expressed on many levels to
this day.
Broadly speaking, the story of Horus is as follows: Horus was born on December
25th of the virgin Isis-Meri. His birth was accompanied by a star in the east, which in
turn, three kings followed to locate and adorn the new-born savior. At the age of 12,
he was a prodigal child teacher, and at the age of 30 he was baptized by a figure
known as Anup and thus began his ministry. Horus had 12 disciples he traveled
about with, performing miracles such as healing the sick and walking on water.
Horus was known by many gestural names such as The Truth, The Light, God's
Anointed Son, The Good Shepherd, The Lamb of God, and many others. After being
betrayed by Typhon [Set], Horus was "crucified," buried for 3 days, and thus,
resurrected.
BeskepCkret 10/28/2009 1:49:07 PM
@Freek..."Our maid is a better person than him"...what makes you say something like this?
Venessa 10/28/2009 2:27:48 PM
Janine....I SO TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!! Keep God out of this...this is a man made issue!! Get your facts straight before saying things like that...you just might regret it Marianne !!
DM 10/28/2009 2:30:08 PM
Oy vey what a lot of old grannies/pops ! As a Christian I cannot condone Ps and Mrs Bling's lifestyle - the shoe fits. The article was well written but biased. Ms Thamm is obviously not a christian and proud of it. Methinks a bit of jealousy may be a contributor ...
Lynette Turner 10/28/2009 2:38:02 PM
Hi guys and dolls, will someone please assist me as I'm a pensioner and a widow and I would also like to be DEBT FREE as I'm already in my SIXTIES.
WHAT A BLOODY CHEEK.
Venessa 10/28/2009 2:41:49 PM
DM...yep ! Mocking God and what HE resembles aint a good way to go about things..While Ms Thamm is down on her knees praying for the Blings, she might throw in her own name in that prayer hey..? or what am I saying mmm?
whahahaha...like the kids always sing.."jealousy makes you nasty, nasty makes you ugly...ugly makes you....??? :-)
donorfatigued 10/28/2009 2:54:11 PM
McOily and his entire so-called church are a joke!

How on earth can he be in financial trouble,given that he preaches his false doctrine that his followers will get wealthy by following his 'church' - so then that does not apply to him LOL!
scrubz 10/28/2009 3:11:35 PM
"if u really want to make money,start a religion." i have 2 ask:why do ppl give money 2 churches?personally i think religion is probably the smartest money making instituion of all time,bt wasnt it written somewhere in the "bible" that its easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle,than it was for a rich dude 2 get in2 heaven? or something like that.whateva,point being,wasnt it supposed 2 mean that rich ppl will hav a hell of a time gettin in2 "paradise"??oh well..
cry me a river 10/28/2009 3:50:52 PM
@Sceptic - boring, boring...yawn, yawn
Amber-Rose 10/28/2009 4:18:50 PM
Ray never said he was GOD. He is a human being like all of us. He has his weaknesses. Jesus did not die on the cross for the perfect, sinless and righteous. He died for the sinner. The church makes R 70 million a year. Ray earns a salary like most people. The church has money BUT Ray - the indivudual, like many others out there is battling to manage his money.

Your tone Marriane is rude, it shows lack of understanding of God's grace and it is self-righteous!!
Charde 10/28/2009 4:25:17 PM
Let God be the judge!!!!
Tammz 10/28/2009 10:21:07 PM
I agree with those who said that this article was extremely biased. Hope you enjoyed poking fun at God and Ray Marianne....did it make you feel good??? People love it when evangelical Christians slip up so they can bash them and bash them and bash them some more. This wasnt nice to read, it was just plain spiteful not very professional journalism.
BradSim 10/29/2009 7:58:35 AM
Nice Article and true to some degree. But your problem is that you reading the wrong Bible because your quotes don't exist in mine.
Tony 10/29/2009 11:20:21 AM
Ray and Zuma have very similar characters, the commonality that has drawn them together.
Two opportunists, who without conscience, have enriched themselves through bribery,corruption, nepotism and bullshitting those around them.
The thugs should both be in jail.
Shadi Mnisi 10/29/2009 1:13:20 PM
Marianne, you are a good writer and an intelligent woman. However, I would like to say this to you "God will not be mocked. Whatsoever a man soweth, so shall he reap".

God is God, no matter what anyone says. Man's opininon of Him does not shape or change Him. You cannot take away anything from God, not even His love for you. If you chose not to believe in God (not just Marianne), then well, that's your choice. I disagree, but I do respect your choice. God will never force Himself on you. Just respect my choice; do not mock my God. I cannot understand why non believers get so worked up about God. If God didn't make such an impact on the world, why do you feel the need to constantly have a go at Him? hmmmm...
Jem 10/29/2009 2:17:24 PM
Well said Marianne!
Kevin 10/29/2009 10:48:12 PM
Judge not lest you be judged. If you don't know what is really in Ray's heart you cannot write this self opinionated rubbish. If he has greed in his heart, God knows it. If he is genuine and isnt just in it for the money, God knows. The media in SA have the reputation of judging people and writing filth without knowing the facts or only taking a few words completely out of context. Come on, we are more intelligent and deep than this, surely.
Nicole 10/30/2009 1:49:06 AM
Ya, old Ray McCauley. Been to Rhema several times - love his sermons. You gotto go to Rhema to appreciate it - have you been there to see Ray work his talent? But my oh my... are you so right... the bloke has some sort of 'privelage' mind set. And his wife who had a terrible childhood - it's this 'higher privelages - we deserve better than anyone else' syndrome - sad sad.
@mack 10/30/2009 1:59:45 PM
ah the great forgiving loving God who will come and take me out if i criticise him? sounds like a nice guy..

good article, had a laugh!
why though 11/2/2009 12:50:17 PM
Honestly...why is it that when a 'christian' does something 'wrong' we blame all of them.Same as 1 black person commits a crime then black ppl are criminals.When a white man is racist then all white ppl become racist.We need to move away from such generalisations
LR 11/2/2009 1:39:18 PM
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I wish to point out that Ray McCauley is a man. I saw an advert on TV on Sunday, 01st about a vision that they have for the church and people were encouraged to donate more than R1 000.00 and if you did, your name will be placed on a wall to show your contribution. I believe the man needs to learn a lot about responsible stewardship and thus, do not paint the religion/calling but rather the man who is unable to successfully control his financial affairs.
Really 11/2/2009 8:08:41 PM
It is actually funny seeing how people obviously don't know what they talk about. They here things and write about it and make it as fact. Media is a joke. they only write down there opinion based on 50% of the facts. Good example of bad media is when they quote apparent bible stories that is not in the bible. Very bad reporting.
jason 11/2/2009 8:45:54 PM
Dangerous thing money. That's why the Bible says it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter Heaven. Mind the generalisation about Christians though. Your sarcasm is dismally misplaced with the majority of us.
Adri 11/3/2009 7:47:58 AM
Well said - This is the real truth of the bible.
Roenel 11/3/2009 9:18:05 AM
Be very careful all of those whom deny God. You will be denied in heaven. All you agnostics, you to lazy to read and learn the bible, so its easy to say there is no God if you don't understand Him. His scriptures to this day, was not a lie to anybody and revealings in these scriptures is busy coming to pass. Proof me wrong any day and you will get your answer back a million times over. If I was you unbelievers, I would be very afraid. I'd rather live like there was a God and get to heaven and there was not One, but to live that there is no God and get to heaven, and then in fact there is One. Don't deprive yourself the promises God gives you through His Word. He is still the jealous God and will share you with no-one, but turn your back on Him and He will leave you at your own accord, don't blame Him then if things go wrong in your life, but the day when you really need Him, will He be there for you, that's the Loving God I serve. But be for sure, Our Almighty Wonderful, Trusting, Loving God is indeed alive!!!! That has been proven through centuries and not one of you can deny Him off whom and what He is. Everlasting He is and He is not going anywhere, not for any unbeliever or a believer. Get use to it, He was, He is, and He will forever be, long after all you unbelievers have passed on to wherever it is you will be going, will He still be here to rule this earth. I say AMEN!!!!! to that. My God is Good and "I" love Him, because He loves me too.
Jonathan 11/3/2009 11:21:16 AM
Absolutely love this Marrianne!
Speak the truth!
Amen.
REFOCUS 11/3/2009 12:13:28 PM
I was @ that the bday party held for P.Ray and to see all the work his church has done for people over the years was quite touching. I was also @ anotha bday party this wknd where an older man, mistaken me for my aunt's son, talked to me bout how vital God is in his life and how he should be in every1's life. He then told me about how serious of a criminal and drug addict he once was. I only later found out he had been through the Hands of Compassion prog @ Rhema. Of course u dont choose 2 write stories like these, u kno the ones that tell how the man who should have tied up ur kids, robbed ur house instead did not bcuz he went thru Rhema. O how bout the kdis that u drive past everyday as u go 2 work and dont botha 2 acknowledge, yea the ones who go get a meal at Rhema, the ones that r just part of the image u c everyday but care not 2 change. Rhema is not my church, as I am from the States visitn my uncle and aunt so I am not comn 2 his defense 4 personal reasons.its not bout his finances, his wife, son, parties, and all that stuff. christian or non christian lives r bein changed write a story about that Mariamm n stop focusn on the minuscule things that don't matter, get a betta story Mariamm please!
Enlightened 11/3/2009 1:14:59 PM
When you have touched and given salvation to as many people as Pastor Ray has - then you can sit and throw stones. 90% of his earnings go back into the church - he is more than entitled to his 10% wouldn't you say. There is no greater or more ugly sin than jealousy. For the record I am not a born again Christian, just well informed.
Lou 11/3/2009 3:19:26 PM
Sadly people don't get satire.
Crocks 11/3/2009 11:17:15 PM
Thank You, this was very entertaining however I am not sure was more enjoyable..the satire or the comments, firstly I am a Christian living and working in a Muslim Kingdom, which by the way pays the bills in South Africa so that I do not have to pass the hat around or allow my children to ask their friends for hand outs, one comment really stood out and I am not going to quote the whole comment suffice as to say..... throw the first stone, apparently a lot of you out there are not sinners, and the message of the article was more about how the rich use the ignorant and not really about religion or preaching or even faith and one last thing, it would be nice if some of you used a dictionary or spell checker before throwing said stone.....
Aunti Cathy 11/4/2009 9:46:10 AM
@sceptic - Lovely stuff, about time someone brought that up. And Marianne - don't allow all these crap comments about you to even briefly touch your mind, because it's a beautiful, intelligent and compassionate one, and not bitter and twisted like some of those ignoramuses here who are an embarrassment to the human race.
YTAH 11/4/2009 4:01:19 PM
Oh brother. Whatever, Whatever. Stop posting the same comment for every story on every message board on this site. You're tiresome.

As for the actual story: I guess that the moral is, people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, even if the house did cost 6.5 mill...
Puzzled 11/4/2009 4:29:02 PM
Marianne, don't ever attribute your believes, proverbs...to a book which you have clearly never read because you might not find in it what you wrongfully and ignorantly claim. Checking your sources: that's journalism 101. Don't write either about prosperity biblical principles which you don't understand whether you have not read or understood them either. And if you suffer from a poverty mentality and cannot see others blessed after they have been a blessing, don't blame others for having it. Only blame yourself. Prosperity is only for those who want it and invest for it. But again, what you are doing, it another living proof of what The Bible told us ages ago: that we would be persecuted as believers. You are not the first nor the last to write lies about children of God. But then again, you wouldn't know because you are not prepare to read the so-called sources of information that you have the nerves to claim to be quoting.
Outraged 11/4/2009 4:34:59 PM
Marianne, don't ever attribute your believes, proverbs...to a book which you have clearly never read because you might not find in it what you wrongfully and ignorantly claim. Checking your sources: that's journalism 101. Don't write either about prosperity biblical principles which you don't understand whether you have not read or understood them either. And if you suffer from a poverty mentality and cannot see others blessed after they have been a blessing, don't blame others for having it. Only blame yourself. Prosperity is only for those who want it and invest for it. That’s even a principle in our capitalist market economy. But again, what you are writing is another living proof of what The Bible told us ages ago: that we would be persecuted as believers. You are no different than the Pharisees that stood up lying about Jesus before Ponce Pilate 2000 years ago, no different than the corporate liars or corrupt officials we have to deal with daily in society. You are neither the first nor the last to write lies about children of God. But then again, you wouldn't know because you are not prepared to read the so-called sources of information that you have the nerves to claim to be quoting.
Alf Hutchison 11/4/2009 9:44:52 PM
Matt 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
7:22 "Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
7:23 "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Let God be the judge
Capital Q 11/5/2009 12:00:19 PM
There is no reason why a 'holy man' or preacher can not be a millionaire. I think if he is stealing money from his church it is one thing - but his church is full of money and spreads the word. I am no christian, but am not a jealous like you either Marianne Thamm.
Marius 11/7/2009 4:51:39 PM
There are those who make a contribution to society, in open view. Then there are those who have nothing to add, thriving instead on criticism, deriving a sense of purpose by leaching on the activities of others. Such poverty of heart and mind is forgivable. Calling it Journalism is not.
gunny 11/13/2009 5:07:51 PM
Like the first comment. You journalist hippocrates are too scared to say anything negative about the muslims. Maybe christians must start bombing and treathening you. It will definitely stop some of you. I do not agree with this eloborate lifestyle nor with divorcing a good wife for a legal prostitute but hell. Write the same about the Muslims then you show me that you are truthful and have some real guts.
Danny 11/17/2009 7:35:53 PM
In Matthew 24:21-22, Jesus says that there would come a time of unequaled suffering. Many people have offered their opinions about this prophecy, claiming that it has already happened, or that it is happening, or that it will happen in the future. Some opinions involve claims of widespread disease and famine, or terrorism, or nuclear war, etc. And, so, it can be easy to overlook the good news contained in this prophecy: No matter what happens in this world, no matter how bad things get, God ultimately is in control. And, as we learn from other verses, such as John 3:16, no matter what happens, those who believe in Jesus are given the gift of salvation and eternal life with God.
JESUS FORGIVE THEM 11/17/2009 7:46:52 PM
In the end times Jesus said that there will be people condeming his work and his ppl. But I am not judging anyone, I will leave that to God when he comes and takes his children home.
JESUS FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY NO NOT WHAT THEY SAY 11/17/2009 7:47:51 PM
In the end times Jesus said that there will be people condeming his work and his ppl. But I am not judging anyone, I will leave that to God when he comes and takes his children home.
JanS 11/30/2009 7:23:33 AM
Pastor Ray, I pray for you for a release! Hallelujah!

Oh, did you remember to give your tithe back Pastor? Huh. You do know that God will not bless you unless you give. Unless you open your heart and give back to his church. Or that is what other people in your church, under your "leadership" said to me... Remeber Ray, what you sow, you will also reap...
Citizen of KOG 12/4/2009 11:43:11 AM
Your ignorance is shocking.

"....You know like that old bible story about teaching a man to fish rather than ruining his spirit by giving him one....."

Are you serious???? Wow.
Pastor Blaster 12/10/2009 8:54:17 AM
Very difficult to judge these situations.

On the one hand, the target market of relgious institution is those who are 'weary and heavy laden'. This encompasses anyone going through tough times.

Ironically, Motivational speakers charge large amounts of money to do the same job. If a Motivational speaker has a mansion, we consider him successful, if a Pastor has a mansion, we consider him a hypocrite.

In the end, regardless of conviction, nothing is free. Religion makes you feel better about yourself and the world around you - This is a service offering which means it must be paid for.

Personally, I'd rather have Moguls like At Boshoff and Ray Macauley giving me the 'you can do it' speach than some humble dude with 20 members in his motivational seminars...

It's weird how he got into financial poo, but who of us didnt? Face it, money is lekker to have and I sure as hell wouldnt mind a 6.5 million rand house at the beach...

Moral of the story: If people are willing to pay money to feel good about themselves, the fact that it is in a religious environment is irrelevant.
pika 12/10/2009 12:49:19 PM
we should go back to living in huts
don't judge 2/16/2010 2:30:58 PM
i agree with Whatever - picking on Christianity is not cool. We are all sinners and fall short all the time so Pastor Ray and Prez Zuma are just human beings and not perfect angels. That is why i love being a christian - we are big on forgiveness......so yes even Pastor Ray and Zuma are forgiven....
You need JESUS 2/17/2010 1:46:00 PM
The mere fact that you imply that a church is nothing but a big showcase because of the personal-doings of its pastor is disgusting. Maybe if you knew the Bible and God as you pretend to, you would know that being in a church is not about seeking the pastor but GOD and having a relationship with him. As for you "Freek" - why wouldnt your "maid" be better than anyone one else rich or poor, what? because she is your "maid" she cant be a decent human being????No wonder you agree with this woman.
Kick 2/26/2010 11:17:47 PM
Great article, I'm a child of GOD and judging is not for us but your article is facts. To Ray it's all about money and image hence the face that he's always there to either marry celebs or "rescue" them. When his ex wife Lyndie Mc Cauley left him, he claimed she had mental problems, jeez so would I if I were married to him *sorry just had to add that*. As for Joshua asking family for money, "your dad should try earning a living by working for his salary". GOD helps those who help themselves and by that HE did not mean taking from the poor. GOD needs us to promote HIM but Ray uses GOD to promote himself.
Jane 3/15/2010 12:05:53 PM
There are so many religions and beliefs in the world and each has there pros and cons. However to all those religious folks who are warning"You will go to hell if you don't pray for your sins and don't believe" You can keep your faith. I would not want to follow any religion where you will burn in hell, "but he loves you!" You'd best believe or you will suffer for eternity in hell when you die but he loves you!". Please keep your thoughts and fears for your church. For those of us who are not blind with fear and ask questions and want answers, let us speak as freely as the religions and point out errors in religion. If you believe Mc-Ray must not be questioned on what he does with the millions he receives and only GOD can judge him then you will go on living blindly and hopefully some will see the light.
Gill Pethick 6/4/2010 12:59:22 PM
Truly unreal comments all round. I'd like to say is that the reality of being a member of Rhema for over 20years has brought much fullfillment in my husband & my lives over these years. The excellent teachings have inspired & brought us much hope. We pray a speedy recovery for our beloved Pastor & friend.
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